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Great. So just checking I’ve understood, how the exemptions work in the NHS is that every ccg has a policy that’s based on the equality act, so that all patients who require intimate care will receive this from someone who is the same sex as they are. Does this mean that trans employees don’t provide any intimate care? Or do they provide care to people who don’t have a preference about receiving it from someone of a specific sex? Does this all still apply if a GRC is involved? What about if someone had a GRC before they started working for the NHS, how would the NHS approach that?
Sorry for all the questions!

The directive comes from the equality act ccgs have a responsibility to work within that

Ok thanks. So do the national guidelines recommend that each ccg applies the exemptions?

Sorry for all the questions, because you said that the NHS routinely uses the exemptions I’m just trying to work out where the directive to do this come from. Or is there no directive?

Now that many of the councils, organizations, schools, and businesses have access to the correct list of protected characteristics in the EA it appears they are beginning to take action in that direction.
I would like to be a fly on the wall the next time they talk to whoever gave them the fraudulent list.

Jay = covers

There are no blanket policies in the nhs there are only. National. Guidelines the polices on gender reassignment is written by each ccg and it Jay covers both patents and staff sometimes they are separate policies.

So do you mean it’s a blanket policy in each ccg rather than and overall NHS blanket policy?

transition in most policies is in collaboration with the employee

What does this mean?

No that would be looked at by each ccg and there hr and legel team. So I can not say it is used at every ccg but I would hope most policies would take this into account and transition in most policies is in collaboration with the employee

Oh excellent

Thanks bespin

Thanks Bespin. Gosh it’s a bit hard to read your post with all the rogue full stops in there!

So if I’m understanding you right, the NHS uses the exemptions so that people who require intimate care will always receive it from a same sex employee? Is it a blanket policy then?

I got this one rufus, the biggest one in the country that routinely uses the exceptions is the nhs though of course these are individual ccgs they use these in relation to transitioning employees who may provide intermate care for people who. Do not. Have capacity. Though this is usually done in collaboration with the employee and if it significantly impacts there role than they may wish to be placed on the employment at risk register and be redeployed or adapt. There role not to include this

At the moment any organisation that tries to use the exemptions gets pilloried on social media, threatened with legal action & often forced to make a grovelling apology.

Sorry Rufus

C’mon peeps!

Its only been 40 minutes!!!

Have some bloody patience womyn!!!

Im sure someone will be alomg in a minute (not me...ive no idea)

Anyone? Helllloooooo!

Anyone know any orgs who use the exemptions? There must be lots surely!

Very informative UpstartCrow, thanks.

Thank you UpstartCrow.

As I understand it the official word is exemptions. I.e. not applicable.

But if you accept the definition of woman as being a feeling, then how can you say that Muscato isn’t a woman? Surely that individual sums up everything that is wrong about self id and already they have forced themselves into women’s spaces at the expense of women’s suffering. What makes that person less of a woman than anyone who claims they are a woman? And what can protect us against people like that? The answer is biology but that keeps getting called bigotry.

An exemption means a rule doesn't apply to you
An exception is a deviation from a rule that does apply to you.

Theres a big difference. Some organisations are exempt.

Daim who the fuck are you to decide whether Danielle Muscato is a woman? Was that a joke?

I believe it's called exemptions, not exceptions?

Is there a difference, here?

If was any threat to the EA exceptions I would oppose it but there isn't.

There certainly has been, WPUK did a great roundup of all the organisations who wanted it amended here:

womansplaceuk.org/references-to-removal-of-single-sex-exemptions/

We hear a lot about organisations who don’t invoke the exemptions, Topshop, Girl Guides, etc.

Do we have a list of organisations that do invoke the exemptions? It would be great to see them being used in practice. Daim? Do you know of any?

Anyone who advocates for ignoring what women want, when they are vulnerable or naked, is wrong, in my opinion.

Hear hear.

daimbars

It's not down to you to decide which single sex spaces women are expected to lose, Daim

Nope, it's written into the Equality Act. Which isn't set to change.

Well this is the bottom line, isn't it? We don't want men in there, you do.

It's my opinion that men who want access to women, when those women don't want them to, are in the wrong.

Because none of this is about pissing, or changing clothes. It's all about validation. Hence the lack of trans support for a third space.

Anyone who advocates for ignoring what women want, when they are vulnerable or naked, is wrong, in my opinion.