Diva magazine is trans inclusive

A feminism [sic] is anyone who supports the rights of women to be equal.

A feminist is a woman who believes in feminism. You cannot be a feminist if you are not a woman because unless you are a woman then you are part of the patriarchal structure and male oppression from which feminists are seeking liberation. Therefore someone who is part of the oppressing structure cannot be a feminist - although they can recognise their privileged position and what feminists are fighting for and be an advocate and an ally.

To use another example, I support the Black Lives Matter movement. It's not possible for me to be a "Black Lifer" because I am not a person of colour - I haven't experienced racial profiling and oppression based on the colour of my skin. Therefore to claim membership would be me appropriating someone else's position and voice when I have no right. However I can be a supporter and an ally - which is what I do.

Ah yes, 'human sexuality is a complicated thing' in response to women being exclusively attracted to women. That'll be the squish of lesbian erasure you are hearing right there.

Fwiw, if Daim is genuinely a bona fide woman and lesbian ( and, no offense intended, but that is impossible to verify here) and supports transwomen being included as 'lesbians', that doesn't make her Bi. It just means she has capitulated to a narrative that denies reality. Which anyone can work out from most of her other posts her anyway, so there's that.

Lesbian = A human female in a same sex relationship. Anything else is a twisting of what lesbian means. Women here know what a lesbian is and we won't take lessons from people who try to change meanings to suit their own lifestyle.

It's impossible to fight for the rights of women unless you can define the word "woman".

Snappity this madness won't last. It won't.

I'm a lesbian, and like most lesbians I know, stopped buying Diva years ago.

JuzzaL - A feminism is anyone who supports the rights of women to be equal. No one should be excluded from feminism. - A trans woman.

As for your comment on the girl I am seeing, you do not get to dictate that. We are not talking about sexual orientation as a PC. Human attraction is a complicated thing.

All to often the line pushed on Mumsnet is that being feminist means being gender critical and refusing to see trans women as women and lesbians (if that is their sexual orientation). This is yet more proof that a lot of femists see the world very differently.

I am a feminist and I am proud to be trans-inclusive. The announcement by DIVA is welcome and important.

Last time I picked up a copy of Diva I saw Munroe Bergdorf's column & a fawning interview with Susie Green which completely ignored the issue of young lesbians being put on drugs that would put them on a path to cross-sex hormones, sterility & all the rest.

I put it back on the shelf.

Feminism is an umbrella term for a wide range of activism, theories and demands.

However it is generally agreed to mean that it is the promotion and advocacy of women's rights in order to achieve equality of the sexes.

Activism for equality of sexes - whereby men's rights are also centred - is not feminism. Feminism is concerned with the liberation of women from patriarchal structures and male oppression - hence the name of the general movement.

Trying to normalize that female homosexuals are pressured to be sexually available to males cannot be framed in any other way than as rape culture and lesbian conversion therapy. It's inexcusable.

So if transwomen are women
And transmen are men.

Doesn't that make transmen straight dudes - who really shouldn't be invading lesbian space. Unless all men are welcome to do this now?

Is Diva 'inclusive' of straight men now or should the transmen find a new publication?

FloralBunting - I am not saying that there are no people that coercively try to bully people in to having sex with them this way, I was simply refuting JuzzaL's claim that I support the culture of it. As for the conversion therapy, I genuinely assumed they were referring to me having transitioned.

JuzzaL - The person I am seeing at the moment. A natal female. See's me as a woman, she is attracted to me for reasons other than what is in my knickers. No one has the right to tell her 'well actually you are not lesbian now'. So I guess for her.. TWAW Including for dating.

I will not report away. I have never reported any post and I don't intend to start now.