Diva magazine is trans inclusive

If race or religion was being treated the same way, don’t yoi think there’d be media interest? Why not for sex?

Cos patriarchy

Every now and again I think we are making progress, and then I get these little (or not so little) reminders of the structural stuff that ensures women are simply not as important as men

Lol maybe because this

They need to get the protected characteristics right.

That’s exactly what I mean oleanna

So many organisations are working as though the EA is changed. It hasn’t. But that hasn’t stopped lobby groups from forcing organisations to act as if it were.

If race or religion was being treated the same way, don’t yoi think there’d be media interest? Why not for sex?

The EA IS under threat - by bringing in self ID there will be a direct conflict with the EA set up. We have already seen multiple service providers capitulate to lobby group demands to put the exemptions aside

Agree.

No is still a complete sentence.
Just saying....

TRA lobby organisations also seem to understand the conflict caused by self-ID, which IMO is why they have adopted the tactics that they have (changing sex to gender, punishing organisations that use the exemptions)

Why isn't it headline news
Lol maybe because this

Then transwomen are in fact NOT allowed in all female spaces regardless of GRC (which no one is allowed to ask for anyway so it makes zero difference whether someone is pre, post having one or just fancies saying they’re female today.)

The EA IS under threat - by bringing in self ID there will be a direct conflict with the EA set up. We have already seen multiple service providers capitulate to lobby group demands to put the exemptions aside

... for example swim England, as highlighted by man Friday.

The government can promise solemnly to not change the EA but if self ID comes in then the conflict is set up.

There are a number of groups directly trying to replace sex with gender in the EA - the single piece of legislation that covers women’s rights in the UK.

Once sex is replaced by gender, ALL those rights are gone under law.

I am baffled as to why this isn’t headline news.

Which is trans women are legally allowed in female spaces both pre and post getting a GRC

No they aren’t, not as a blanket rule.

The law allows for exemptions/exceptions where proportionate and necessary. A space segregated by sex for safety purposes IS proportionate and necessary by its very existence.

Consultations should be fair and transparent. They should reach a wide range of people, not just transactivists, students and informed radical feminists. The questions should be framed accurately, spell out what things mean in plain English not pomo jargon and above all it should be genuine and not a fait accompli.

My boundaries are not in the gift of a spurious consultation. My 'No' is not up for debate.

The law should be upheld as it is. We all know what ‘consulting women’ means and it’s ‘we will be doing this, get on board.’

Being consulted is not the most important part. That ends in 'women should always have a say but no real power or autonomy.'

There is no good reason to abolish single sex spaces. There are enough women who want and need them to make them essential.

Go and fight for a third unisex space. Everyone can support that.

daimbars when you say

Perhaps that's why sex segregation doesn't feel so important to me - being with my male gay and trans friends always felt safer.

What do you mean my male trans? Trans women or trans men?

I mean, DH is the gentlest man I've ever known but how would a stranger know that?

No quite. Why would they? I feel the same about men I know and care about.

I feel very safe with my gay male friends too, but that's because they're my friends and I know them. I'd never expect another woman to assume that they're harmless to women just because I know that they are.

Perhaps that's why sex segregation doesn't feel so important to me - being with my male gay and trans friends always felt safer.

Thanks Daim. Sorry you went through that. I'm glad you understand why your feelings do not represent everyone either and that sex segregated female spaces are so important to me and many women, and the need for safety, privacy and dignity, looking at who is more violent and sexually violent statistically out of women and men.

A harmless trans women has doxxed all the Man Friday members and published their names online.

daim I'm sorry you were in an abusive relationship. However domestic violence isn't what we're discussing here, and your personal experience doesn't negate the ubiquity of male violence.

Man in my changing room. I say excuse me this is the ladies.
He says I am a transwoman.

Then what do I say?

You do what women have always done for as long as I can remember.
You leave.
It used to be that women would leave and report the man in the ladies but according to the transgender advocates that is now illegal and so you might be charged with another female on female crime by the misogynists in blue.

Literally speechless. DARVO.