Article on the side-effects of Lupron

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When our first child was born. My DH looked at me and said "fuck me, how does something that small stretch that wide"? Dunno how he thought the baby would come out if it didn't.

If anyone is on twitter @MLaidlawMD may be worth a follow. He is an endocrinologist who also wrote this
www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2018/04/21220/ He has concerns about the way hormones are being used for this purpose.

I can't believe what I've just read. Aimed at children. Gaslighting and coercing parents.
It feels endless, this torrent of abusive distorted thinking, aimed directly at children. The eating disorder communities are very hot on steering children away from the online pro ana sites because of the harm they do and the way that they groom young people into accepting disordered thinking about eating disorders. But who is looking out for this group of vulnerable trans children? They are just being pushed into the arms of these... people... and nobody even notices. Sites like this should be shut down, just as we shut down sites glorifying gangs and violence. They are doing real harm.

"We believe that a trans person who wishes to have surgery, should be able to get it done, on the very day that they request it, if possible, or as soon as possible."

Do they not understand that before any even slightly complex surgery the patient needs to be assessed fully? That for complex surgeries you can have a team of people who will review and plan? And that for seriously complex stuff that can take a fair while?

Seriously, this stuff needs publishing.

I can't believe it is legal for a website - however extremist their manifesto - to actually advertise providing an information service for obtaining illegal drugs to be taken by minors.

How can this stand?

Reputable hairdressers won't even do a drastic dye job without a 24 hour wait period for a strand test...

they want surgery for 8 year olds

Reminiscent of Action for Trans Health, isn't it?

These manifestos should be published in the mainstream media,

I’m sure everyone on the two week cancer referral pathway will be delighted.

The entitlement is breaktaking.

So, like, do the surgery right away and don't bother with the whole fasting so you won't vomit while under sedation and possibly die thing?

Sometimes you have to protect people from themselves even if they really don't want you to.

Well, seeing as we can't even get cancer wait times down to decent times to get treatment and surgery, at least we know this madness pushed by transit.org.uk has little likelihood of getting through.

...though, given what has got through already, who knows!

hells bloody bells, did you even get to the manifesto?
i thought that other one was bad, but this is something else:
transit.org.uk/manifesto.html

"We are against gatekeeping of any kind, unless for medical reasons. If a trans person intends to take hormones, and asks for it from their doctor, the doctor should immediately check suitability; blood tests, endocrinology exam, etc. This should be done immediately, on a fast-track service where the individual gets results the same day, if possible, or as early as possible."

"We believe that a trans person who wishes to have surgery, should be able to get it done, on the very day that they request it, if possible, or as soon as possible."

"We are OK with underground surgeons....

Given that people have talked about walking in for their first appointment and walking out half an hour later with a prescription then no, it is not at all clear that either blockers or hormones are not being handed out like candy at Halloween.

It is not that easy to get blockers though. They aren't passed out like candy. Consistent, Persistent and Insistent. Not all trans children will meet the bar to be warranted such intervention.

According to the older transsexuals who have posted here, before they had surgery, they had to show that they had understood that what they were having was gender reassignment surgery, not a "sex change", since that is not possible.

Do you think it is made clear to these "trans children" that they can't change sex? That all that will ever be possible is to have surgery and hormonal treatment to make them resemble the opposite sex? It should be clear that anyone being given any treatment of this sort has understood that it is not possible to change sex.

What is wrong with helping these children to come to terms with the bodies they have? How can anyone argue that medicating healthy children with powerful and dangerous drugs is better than counselling? Nobody is "born in the wrong body". It is the duty of adults to help children to accept themselves as they are, not support them in their belief that their bodies are wrong.

I just want to cry.

Me too, Lang, me too

Or, answer my question.

Should you, with the 'wrong plumbing' be allowed into a changing room with my naked six year old granddaughter?

See this transit.org.uk/children.html @NatLuc ? Wanna retract your false statement?

Plus this gem of a site: transit.org.uk/children.html

OMFG. Every time I think I reach a peak of shock, something else shows up. How is this website even allowed to exist?

Does anybody know, realistically, how many minor children in the UK might be taking puberty blockers outwith medical supervision?

I just want to cry.

Makes my fucking blood boil when people come here with no clue what they are talking about or worse, do know and ply their propaganda that these drugs are fine for children. THEY ARE NOT

I googled "buy puberty blockers" to see how quickly I could find a site that would sell them to me.

Answer - a matter of minutes

Plus this gem of a site: transit.org.uk/children.html

Warning: not good for blood pressure (gems inlcude telling parents it's their "moral duty" not to allow their trans child to go through natural puberty and the appeal for funds "to help our founder get her vagina"...)

I've said before, but I take spironolactone to treat acne - it's an anti-androgen which can be used for men who wish to undergo female hormone therapy. It is relatively safe (for women, at least) when used under direction - severe side-effects include renal problems, but the most common is needing to wee a lot as it's an diuretic.

Anyway, I always smile when I read accounts of people who have just started on this drug, who are elated to have begun their treatment. Obviously I can understand this reaction - but I also had a massive surge when I took it. DH thought that I had gone on Prozac or something, I literally bounced out of bed, full of energy and feeling incredibly happy.

Point is, there isn't enough research in the new use of these drugs. I don't understand why people actually oppose proper medical records being kept so that studies can be done in the future to understand the optimal drug therapies and which to avoid like the plague

Like our child safeguarding framework, every one of those pedantic, strict rules was brought in because someone did something awful to another human being.

To see that ethical framework discarded like this makes me feel very disturbed indeed. I feel like I’m shouting into the void, watching a terrible accident happening in slow motion and unable to do anything about it.

This.

But with all drugs there is a change of things going wrong.

There is. But you don’t release a drug to market until you’ve defined those risks as best you can and proven that either the drug is beneficial or equivalent to a competitor. That’s not been done for these drugs in puberty blocking for gender identity querying.
So when you open your pack of anything from the pharmacy you’ll see the pack insert and that will have all those on. You’ll also see on some drugs a ‘black box’ warning - these are risks of serious harm.

Humans can be allergic to or have reactions to almost anything - but to use a drug this powerful on children isn’t like giving someone penicillin despite the fact that a few percent are allergic, it’s totally unknown risks, with no medical oversight.

I just cannot believe it’s happening. It wouldn’t happen in any other field. It’s so so disturbing.