please don't vanish - we are all crucial to the future for women and girls

Spontaneous any chance you could PM it to me as well? Just in case I do get banned? At least then I have a back up!

Another lurker here. I don't post much because someone nearly always says it better. I'll try to step up!
The tone of this board has changed and not for the better.

Btw spontaneous I did email the owner of the other place but I haven’t had a reply for a link to join up - any chance you could remind, I may have got lost somewhere...

Will do.

Oops. That should be "who knows what new rules will be dreamed up

I am an occasional poster and heavily disappointed by the recent guidelines. Although (sadly) I am not surprised that this is the way things are moving. I will stay until I am forced out. I will try my hardest not to rock the boat in terms of being kicked out but what new rules may be dreamed up.

Sometimes the boards move too fast for me to post, or there is nothing to add beyond what has been said already but I will do what I can whilst I can.

I am spartacus.

I'm an old gimmer and old-school 'soft' feminist and I lurk a lot and post a little - But I've learned so much from the clever and well-informed women here; I won't leave.
I'll stay and support as much as possible in the fervent hope that the tide will turn soon. It may have already started.

I'd intended to go cold turkey from MN for a while - I have to do this periodically as I find it a bit too addictive. But now I don't feel I should. I think it's all the more important for people who don't actually need MN for support any more to stay in this corner. I think I can usually work out how to say what I want within the talk guidelines and 'spirit of MN' but tbh it might be doing me a favour if I did get banned so I'm in the fortunate position of not being worried by the threat.

Good point Prawn

The appropriation, the gaslighting, the dismissal, the dodgy science and statistics - all laid out here here in plain sight for all the lurkers.
It IS tedious but hey - it's a means to an end.

I'll stay while I can. I'm sure that while there are lurkers it's worth speaking out.

To an extent I welcome the TRas. When they post here to "educate" us their aeguments just don't withstand scrutiny. Their science is preposterous (thanks Babel) and when regular posters tease out what is happening it always supports the gender critical view

Pencils well put!!

☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻

Especially this bit -

Mumsnet now feels inherently hostile to gender critical feminists. I don't think it feels inherently hostile to trolls. They appear to be having a good time.

Everything Pencils said.

With bells on.

But they'll have to carry me out in a box

It's not a sprint it's a relay race

Absolutely spot on.

Women rise. So nice to see the lurkers. Actually rather moving.

for all the stepper-upperers and baton graspers.

It's not a sprint it's a relay race and we will get there.

Well said Maryz and pencils

^ this!

I've been a long-time lurker - occasionally commenting but mostly reading, admiring and learning from what others have said. Now that so many of these amazing women are being forced from this board, I will do what I can to stand up and be counted, as Lysistra suggests. I've always been a GC feminist but wouldn't be able to justify my position to myself or others nearly as well without all the input from the amazing MN posters. I am beyond depressed at how this is panning out since the guidelines but I will try to step up and contribute more unless (until?) I'm also banned.

Until the new guidelines came in I was just one of the lurkers learning from all the wise women in this board - thank you for all you have taught me.

It's time for us lurkers to stand up and be counted. And I'm standing ready to be counted. If I end up banned, so be it. Unfortunately I don't really have anything interesting or particularly intelligent to post, but I'm here

Yes to Maryz - this is not a fair balanced policy and needs revisiting

Och the 'science' is sooooo bad

There is nothing civil or mutually respectful about the way this debate has been allowed to develop since these new rules were instigated.

This! This! This!

Co signed! ^

For those of you staying, I’m standing beside you. For those who are going, thank you for all you have done. For opening my eyes to this. I know wherever you go to, or if you step back from it all completely, you’ll continue fighting for women and girls.
I don’t often say much, but I read a lot and if there’s one thing guaranteed to piss me off it’s telling me I can’t do something while letting others get away with it....that and bad science

Took me long enough to get here. Im not leaving. Yes I think what's happening is wrong. But it will backfire on them. My tent is pitched.

I'm going nowhere

Having said that, I strongly object to the exclusion of autistic women and others from this conversation by dint of vague language. I just meant that I intend to persist.

I've returned from a time of R and R in lurkdom and am not going anywhere. The new guidelines are unfortunate but it's still possible to hold the conversation.

Nowhere else do we have such a good chance of grabbing women's attention. I'd have no clue about any of this if it wasn't for MN women. I want to make sure that girls and young women enjoy the same protections that my generation had.