Transgender people can be turned away from female only spaces government says

Barthglanders

Yes. It works.

It might be triggering for women who are prone to bartholins cysts though-although to be fair they are likely to be able to woman up and get over it, being a bartholin gland possessor tends to do that to you..

Maryz have you considered a career in advertising? you clearly have a gift for slogans

What about "a woman is a human who identifies as a current or former Bartholin gland haver"?

That's catchy, isn't it. HWIAACOFBGH.

Of or denoting the sex that posseses Bartholin glands?

Sadly, this is such a sweeping generalisation as to be unworkable in practice.

I also wonder if we couldn't shorten it somehow. Maybe even down to a single word. I can't think of one though. Barthglanders?

If there are then all rights for half the human population must be repealed to validate the exception.

"current or former possession of Bartholin's glands"

Nailed it. We have the new official definition of women.

(But might there be a some women somewhere who were born without Bartholin glands, who TRAs will be really really worried about upsetting if we use this definition? )

Pft, but some women have their bartholin gland removed, what about them? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh?

I'm happy for the criteria to be "current or former possession of Bartholin's glands".

Glands. Plural.

Pft, but some women have their bartholin gland removed, what about them? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh?

@MNHQ can you clarify please:

can people say trans women are women?

can people say trans women are men?

If one is acceptable, and one not, can you please explain why.

It's impossible to look at deletions and try to work this out, it needs clearly stating please.

I want the Equality Act amended so that it's a duty, not a right, of organisations to retain single sex provision.
This.

I doubt they were deleted.

It's ok by the new rules to not only say TWAW but to say TWA biological women, natal women, 100% female, born with female biology etc etc.

Complete lies are allowed here, as long no-one has their feelings hurt . Apart from women of course, who don't seem to count.

Did they get deleted ballsballsballs?

Not that I want them to be deleted,I want both sides to be able to clearly state their position so the true nature of the debate is clear.

I've reported a poster for stating for the umpteenth time that TWAW. In the interest of balance.

I'm confused:

If it is still OK to say trans women are women, as meetthenew has done up thread.

I presume it's still OK to say trans women are men, as well?

One statement offensive to women (females), and one offensive to trans women(males).

If this post gets deleted, I'll have my answer, and the stinking hypocrisy will be crystal clear.

I'm screen shoting, to add to the list of things women can't say on MN, just in case.

"dicky" "Majestic Becunted One"

It is good that the government agencies and media representatives are waking up to the damage done to women's rights by carelessly written laws. Using one protected characteristic to trump another protected characteristic is discriminatory application of poorly written law.

Transgenders are protected by law under their sex protected category.
There is no need for changes to legal documents. They have created an enormous legal mess by pretending that one sex can abracadabra themselves into the other. Women, transsexuals, and intersex rights, have all been sacrificed for the sake of the gender reassigned, in the name of equality.

Haxxor nails it. You could also look at the correlation between the absence of a B gland and the statistical propensity to sexual and violent crime. Any number of comparisons would give the the answer, no sharing thanks.

Shall I start referring to DH as a "mobile gamete penis emitter"?

I quite like that one.

I've been calling him "dicky" lately though which he's got quite used to.

He refers to me as "Majestic Becunted One" usually.

Given the 100% correlation between presence of Bartholin's glands and the absence of male socialisation

Love it

Can whether it is or is not OK for someone to use a particular space truly depend on whether they have a Bartholin Gland?

Given the 100% correlation between presence of Bartholin's glands and the absence of male socialisation, caused by the socialisation of children being decided based on reproductive biology, I'd say it's reasonable to admit only the possessors of Bartholin glands into female spaces. This wouldn't be because of the Bartholin glands though, it would be because of the female socialisation and 100% guaranteed absence of a penis emitting motile gametes.