Transgender people can be turned away from female only spaces government says

wakame what do you think women who do notice do?

"I expect women do notice. We usually do."

@Noqont, How would you know how many you don't notice?

"I'm not sure what about this thread would indicate that most people wanted to read a detailed description of genitalia."

mammyoftwo (the OP) asked "have they had to have their penis cut off". This suggested that she was unfamiliar with the facts of the procedure she was referring to. It was a teachable moment.

"As usual Wakame posts shite."

What do you think your link disproves?

^www.bournemouth.gov.uk/councildemocratic/Statistics/Documents/JSNA/GenderReassignment.pdf^

Is very out of date and ignores many operations carried out overseas and, even if those flaws were overlooked, does not say that Wakame was wrong as you claim.

I'm not sure what about this thread would indicate that most people wanted to read a detailed description of genitalia.

you wouldn't know anything about it.

I expect women do notice. We usually do.

As usual Wakame posts shite.

www.bournemouth.gov.uk/councildemocratic/Statistics/Documents/JSNA/GenderReassignment.pdf

I already have a GRC.

I also pass, so even if you managed to change the law and revoke my GRC, I would still be in female spaces, and you wouldn't know anything about it.

But don't worry - last time I was in a public toilet, I just went to a cubicle, had a pee, and then washed my hands. No one died.

"Just to check, if someone born with a penis gets a gender recognition certificate, have they had to have their penis cut off in order to do so?"

No - although 87% of trans women have wither had, or want vaginoplasty:

www.thetaskforce.org/static_html/downloads/reports/reports/ntds_full.pdf

... you don't need it to get a GRC. This is because some people either don't want surgery, or are unable to undergo surgery for medical or other reasons.

However, the complex and frankly rather marvellous micro-surgery involved is a little more than "cutting off the penis". In the hands of the best surgeons, like the top ones in Thailand, it's mainly a case of redistributing the soft tissues to return them to their original feminine configuration (we all start with essentially female genitalia).

So for example, the labia majora and the scrotum are formed of the same tissue. In the typical boy, the tissue fuses together along the raphe line to form a scrotum and on the typical girl it doesn't fuse and forms the labia majora instead. So, part of vaginoplasty, is to open the scrotum along the raphe line and give the tissues the typical female configuration (or rather "return them" to their original configuration) rather than the typical male one.

Similar thing with the penis/clitoris - they are the same organ that develops along different routes according to hormonal influence rather than different organs altogether like say a kidney and finger are.

mammyoftwo - no

I think they are talking about self-ID. It wont be the case for people with a GRC. They will have access. That is the problem.

Here is a link from The Independent www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/transgender-people-no-right-single-sex-spaces-government-penny-mordaunt-toilets-changing-rooms-a8414771.html

A Government Equalities Office spokesperson told The Independent: “Since we announced our intention to reform the Gender Recognition Act in 2017, we have been clear we will not amend the Equality Act 2010.

“Any reform of the Gender Recognition Act will not change the protected characteristics in the Equality Act nor the exemptions under the Equality Act that allow provision for single and separate sex spaces.”