Posters jumping before they're pushed

The spelling there oh dear

The other place should definitely have a twitter account. Wild world thatvis a good idea publicing a log of deletions. Please some one do it? Please.

I’m currently watching season 2 of the Handmaids Tale and it really is scary how the silencing of women in dystopian fiction (and of people generally in Orwell etc) is now our reality.

The whole ‘don’t talk about your life before ‘ business is chillingly similar to the concept of dead-naming. Not being allowed to read or write - well as long as it’s about recipes and kittens we’re still allowed. Women’s biology being co-opted by men, and the women who serve them, for their own ends - but who needs a Handmaid if you can get a womb implant and do it yourself?! We’re going to be living in fucking Gilead if people don’t wake up.

I think its possible and important that some of the people with so much knowledge and understanding might find a way to remain on this site.

There are increasing numbers of people becoming aware of the wider implications of the legislation and policies advocated for by trans rights activists.

Many will be reading or posting here for the first time and will not have the knowledge of the wider picture, previous discussions or common misconceptions etc.

Whilst asking questions of the new MN guidelines and challenging some posters on this board is important, I believe there is a very important bigger picture.

It seems likely that the Government's consultation on proposed changes to GRA will begin shortly. Time and energies are important resources.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3269463-Government-response-to-the-petition

This is only my opinion and I fully support and respect all the decisions and choices that women make in response to thecurrent environment on this Feminism and Women's Rights board.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3218213--W-hat-A-bout-W-omen-A-nd-G-irls

I’ve messaged spontaneous but don’t want to @ her in case she’s having a much needed break from it all.

If anyone who knows about the other place can message me I’m happy to prove my GC credentials

You’re right, @lynmilne65, it is horrifying how language is being manipulated so that it is now no longer allowed to be factual.

Please can I also have the link to The Other Place. MN has been a lifeline to me over the years but, having publicly delurked here on FWR, I want to use my voice, not be silenced. The erosion of what it means to be a woman, have a period, have a baby, breastfeed, have a cervix, have a hysterectomy can't continue. If the TRAs silence us, my nieces will grow up in a world with lady dicks. Nah, fuck that shit. Definitely not literally.

I want to get involved with enlightening people, raising awareness and I can't do that here if we're banned from speaking biological truths.

Language 😵

Oh and re how long people have been here. Nearly nine years.
From pre conception of dc1, through pregnancy and birth, through (female exclusive - biological elitism...) trauma from first birth and one resulting disability from that, through pregnancy with dc2 and birth, even more disabilities coming from that to the point I was - and am - very ill. Through ongoing mh problems, severe during pregnancy (again, more elitism as female exclusive), through figuring out that asd was the root of much of my mh trouble, and support while investigated for its diagnosis. Through DPs shift work while I was ill, then redundancy and taking on the role as my full time carer. Through relationship trouble largely linked to my health, and various issues with friends and family. Through concerns about the possibility of my children inheriting asd or physical disabilities. Through ongoing support about mh problems, asd and disabilities.

You women have done more for me than you can ever know

I'd also like to know about The Other Place.

Could someone on the other place start a list of quotes of all the posts which get deleted- maybe start a Twitter account and post them on there?
Or a blog post we could link to which quotes all the factual things women can no longer say.
Journalists could see it, and just the general public realising what facts are now being censored would raise the awareness.

If we could do that I think this censorship might actually help. As I think it's the free speech issue which is ultimately going to win this with the general public.

Rereading my post it reads like I know about the other place. I don’t. Would like to though.

Please can someone DM me a link to the other place? I’m struggling to follow posts here now because people can’t say what they mean. I can’t believe this abuse of language to be honest.

Where is this other place where you can talk freely? I'm on twitter but that's about it, and wouldn't call that free either

People saying we can still post in the same way - no we can’t. Not really.

I ended up devoted to mumsnet because it was the only place where I could freely discuss how being raped and the trauma of that had deeply impacted my first pregnancy / birth / year with my first child.

I was a total fucking mess. Thankfully I found mumsnet FWR, and Buffy, who helped me beyond measure. I didn’t bury the feelings, I faced them, talked about them, and managed to become the Mum I knew I could be / wanted to be because of mumsnet and the WOMEN here.

Around the same time I found the stately homes threads, and thought through the FOG of my upbringing. Again it was female posters who helped me, because only women really understand. Part of my abuse was related to my female body. I was a child. I couldn’t identify my way out of shit. And I needed to here from other women who had experienced similar.

If the vocal women are removed and replaced with vocal (?*) then that support will also fall away. If the strong angry feminists are removed the rest of us will find it that much harder to reject bullshit and deal with things in a way that gives US happiness, rather than a permissive burying of problems no one else cares about in order to make everyone else happy.

People saying it won’t change the site...it will. Hugely. For those who need it.

Buffy was hounded off years ago. I’m still so sad about that. This has been a long time brewing.

How do people find out about the other place? I assume the information isn’t freely given to resist infiltration?

*deliberately not using a word here so I can’t be pulled up on it

I wonder if TRAs argue with them when they delete things, or say they won't be deleting things. If you're not willing to invest in training for the mods for the sake of the commenters then do it for the mods themselves, HQ, because I'm willing to bet that they're going to receive some epic attempts at gaslighting over the next few weeks/months.

I'd appreciate an invite to the other place too please.

Things like finding out about the secretly changed policy of the girl guides are so important to me and I wonder how clearly that awful violation of safeguarding can be described under current talk guidelines. Mumsnet was such a lifeline after DD2 was born. Very sad about what's happening.

That £12pp online freedom programme would be so useful to hq.

Can I have a link to the other place too...? I was hoping to avoid it as barely have time/ energy for mumsnet, but I'm feeling really let down and I want to know what's going on so I can fight against those who want to take away the rights my daughters currently have to safety, dignity and privacy (though it feels like already those rights are far fewer than I had as a young woman).

Ive only quickly scaned the thread. But where is the other place? Id like to join if its a safe place to talk about feminism without being anxious avout being banned foe using biology.

YY. The most dangerous time for a woman in an abusive relationship is when she tries to leave.

Actually that raises a good point - women who've been going along with the TRA stuff so far because you didn't want to make friends who're true believers angry, or you didn't want to come across badly, or there's a specific person in your life whose reaction you feared, please know that if any when you're ready to walk away and speak honestly there's a whole group of strong, brave, kind women waiting to catch you. Even if you've clashed with some of us in the past, that might mean having to work through a period of tension as trust is established, but ultimately if you're afraid of falling don't be - there are plenty of women waiting to catch you.

I'm on the other place but haven't posted yet - the debate's more effective out here, in the open.

MN is very important for consciousness raising (which is why there is such an effort to shut us down and also why we should stay).

Private spaces are better for letting off steam and organising in a way that avoids sabotage.

Yes.

The parallel is chilling isn't it