Posters jumping before they're pushed

I hadn't realised that it had morphed into an even more grotesque narrative whereby we allegedly demand that men prove they're women by chopping off their penis.

But if they want to be referred to as women of any kind, it’s the least they should do, surely. “Some women have penises” and ‘women’ with full beards in suits telling us how to do woman-ing better are the things that peaked me. If they’d all had an op they would at least have something to back up their claim of being a woman rather than just a feeling. I still wouldn’t actually believe that they had changed sex but I would in that instance be prepared to use female pronouns.

They would still not have grown up and been socialised as a woman so their lived experience can never be that of a female, however, their current status would be more in keeping with that of a woman without having their weapon still intact!

The thing that most makes me uncomfortable about young girls in changing rooms with biological men, is the idea that the penis of some creepy random will be the first or one of the first penises they will see.

This happened to me in a shitty cleaning job I had as a young teen.

I like privacy. Private parts make it possible to share them in private, in all the fun and exciting ways we can discover.
Happening upon others' naked genitals when you don't want to isn't great especially when it wasn't an accident. I've happened upon them on street corners, in alleys, on the tube more than once and I was never pleased to have my progress interrupted.
Why pretend this isn't just the same.
This is an ubiquitous event for young women and girls.
They need to know that female changing rooms are for females only.

AAK, I'd like to be able to underline that in red marker pen.

The first time a woman sees an adult penis it should be because she wants to, not because the owner of the penis wanted her to.

The thing that most makes me uncomfortable about young girls in changing rooms with biological men, is the idea that the penis of some creepy random will be the first or one of the first penises they will see.

I can’t put my figure on why but I really dislike the idea of that. And the idea that the penis haver might get a kick out of it in an ‘unveiling the innocent’ sort of way makes me feel really sick. Even if nothing happens. It’s why flashing is a crime, surely?

The penis haver seeing my girl naked I’m less concerned about tbh. She likes being naked, children do. Obviously the idea of someone potentially creepy seeing my girl naked isn’t great but i don’t think the impact on her would be as great as being flashed. And ultimately what I’m most worried about is the impact on her, not creepy penis haver, not my feelings.

Anyway sorry, that’s just how I feel about the young girl question. It’s totally wrong for penis owners to be in there. I feel that’s obvious.

I know it's a common myth that feminists supposedly want to castrate men, but I guess I hadn't realised that it had morphed into an even more grotesque narrative whereby we allegedly demand that men prove they're women by chopping off their penis.

I thought it was an interesting misunderstanding.

I think its a common narrative.

*Sorry, girls he grew up with who are women now.

My DS is 20 and did the 'age thing' but we talked about it from the perspective of girls he knows who are gay / lesbians and I think he gets it now.

An interesting crossed wire was that he thought that in mentioning the intactness of most transwomen that I was promoting the 'mutilation' (his word) of male bodies; when in fact I don't want anyone to be losing body parts. I want men to expand and stretch the narrative of 'Men'; not encroach on the rightly protected biological spaces of women.

I thought it was an interesting misunderstanding.

Beautifully put thebewilderness

It is an age and experience thing.
Once burned, twice cautious. Never burned, ignorance is bliss.

apparently, ‘it’s an age thing’

When someone younger than you says this, I'd be inclined to reply that it may be... but why do they seem to be making the assumption that the judgement of someone with more experience and knowledge of the world is inferior to theirs?

Ah, the arrogance of youth. Been there, done that, grown up.

thebewilderness nothing showing In my inbox yet but I'll let you know. And thank you.

Might de-reg and re-reg from a new IP at this rate. It's been six and half years ... I thought I knew this place. All it's doing now is causing massive anxiety. And that's a medical condition MNHQ, not a prejudice.

I DOnt post much on here, but have read these threads avidly. Peak Trans occurred quickly!
Managed to Peak a couple of friends and DH.

Both my DC think I am wrong, crazy and, apparently, ‘it’s an age thing’ .
The MN shutdown, coupled with The Labour Party stance on this has left me feeling upset, angry and silenced.
I cannot cope with wrestling with the words to fulfill the guidelines set out by MN any more. I just want to be able to speak how I feel, on a Woman’s Site. This should not be too much to ask.

I messaged you Munch.

Yes Munch I had some very very odd occurances a couple of weeks ago. My 'message poster' option attached a message to the bottom of a thread! Thankfully it wasn't anything personal.

Additionally over a period of time messages were held up both when sent and received.

I was assured by MN technical team that 'nothing sinister' though they were still looking into the 'glitch'.

Thanks, Pratchet, just googling it. It's all feeling a bit anti-democratic.

What with that and the misogynist wiki-editing, I'm pretty fucked off.

I know. I am shadow banned too so I sympathise.

Cheers, R0wantrees Odd, isn't it?

Thanks, Pratchet, just googling it. It's all feeling a bit anti-democratic.

What with that and the misogynist wiki-editing, I'm pretty fucked off.

MunchausensLovelyHorse

I have had some 'glitches' with my messages over the last few weeks.

It is worth advising MN.

There was a thread on site stuff a couple of weeks ago.

Horse, you can check , there is a way

Just come back to see a completely unjustified personal attack! That's outrageous!

I think I might have been shadowbanned on Twitter (sudden significant drop in engagement) so I'm probably a bit jumpy.