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Stonewall Scotland’s response to the GRA consultation

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MacaroonMama · 24/06/2018 16:02

www.stonewallscotland.org.uk/gender-recognition-act-0

Hope the link is clicky. If you scroll down, you can see the Executive Summary (I read this, it is about 10 pages) and the full response (haven’t looked yet).

It is everything we feared. It is awful. All the things GC people will have answered hell no to, they are welcoming with open arms.

16/17 year olds self IDing.
Non-binary being a legally recognised gender (doesn’t that mean access to everything?).
No limit on number of times you can change gender.
No ‘until death’ clause.
Not having partner becoming trans as grounds for divorce.
Self ID in Scotland being valid elsewhere and vice versa.
Etc.

I imagine if this is the response to the Scottish consultation, it will be the same to the UK one.

Read it and then let’s share ideas/thoughts/plans! I know lots of the groups are upping strategies atm which is ace.

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MacaroonMama · 24/06/2018 17:40

Imnobody4 I think it is the post-consultation summary as it mentions somewhere that it is closed.

Their full detailed position here (40 pages):

www.stonewallscotland.org.uk/sites/default/files/gra_consultation_response_scotland_final.pdf

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BOO32 · 24/06/2018 17:36

Surely that is what we would expect from Stonewall? What will be interesting will be the summary of all the responses received.

Imnobody4 · 24/06/2018 17:32

MacaroonMama
Isn't this just Stonewalls crib sheet for filling in consultation, not the actual results?
It'll be interesting to see if their stance changes with the new consultation.

HerFemaleness · 24/06/2018 17:31

No limit on number of times you can change gender

Trans activists ''your gender is fixed from birth, it can't be changed''.

Also Trans activists ''we don't want any limits on the number of times you can change gender''.

Hmm
Wakame · 24/06/2018 17:28

A very sensible response. Seems all the scaremongering about trans people isn't working.

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MacaroonMama · 24/06/2018 17:27

Yes Lass glad they gaven’t acted yet! I thought worth linking as Stonewall seem to be such heavyweights in terms of influencing thinking and policy and practice on this. Great to hear there is opposition.

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LassWiADelicateAir · 24/06/2018 17:26

This is Stonewall 's response. The Scottish Government hasn't acted on the consultation responses. The Law Society and the Faculty of Advocates both want gender reassignment kept as an automatic ground for divorce.

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MacaroonMama · 24/06/2018 17:24

MsBeaujangles would it not be the reverse? If sex and gender are conflated by this (which it seems they are, suggesting that non-binary is someone’s sex/gender), then they could be entitled to both by just saying today I feel x? Or - oh wait, do you mean as a third choice, they are opting out of single sex? Sorry - got it - yes I suppose so.

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Snappity · 24/06/2018 17:18

I was disappointed they aren't seeking to extend the time limit in s22

MsBeaujangles · 24/06/2018 17:18

I actually think that the following could be a good thing:
Non-binary being a legally recognised gender (doesn’t that mean access to everything?).
No limit on number of times you can change gender
No ‘until death’ clause
Not having partner becoming trans as grounds for divorce

This undermines the whole 'real woman' and 'wrong body' argument and the non-binary separates sex from gender.

If a GRC means anyone can be anything at any point in time, this makes allowing people in to single sex provision according to a GRC very flaky and will make the EA exceptions easier to uphold and distinctions between sex and gender to be clearer

Fflamingo · 24/06/2018 17:13

No it’s more the Scottish gov being seen as right on and inclusive, they are dickheads. I thought I’d end my days in scotlandbut the gov is making me rethink and it will prob be England where DCs work.0

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 24/06/2018 17:10

Alongside LGBT youth Scotland and Scottish trans alliance

Theinconstantgardener · 24/06/2018 17:09

What I mean is they obviously have a massive influence in Scotland

Theinconstantgardener · 24/06/2018 17:07

Offs this is awful. How did this happen? No wonder all the emails iv written have recieved a lukewarm or no response.

HappensInHumans · 24/06/2018 16:29

You are forced to remain married and change your genderal (sexual) orientation? Hmm

Poor children.

Stonewall must be so happy.Hmm

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MacaroonMama · 24/06/2018 16:09

Hope the second link works xx

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MacaroonMama · 24/06/2018 16:09

www.stonewallscotland.org.uk/gender-recognition-act-0

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