Ministers commit to preserving sex-based exemptions

There are 10 types of sex. (That's binary.)

Sex is not binary, because light switches and cushions, chairs, broccoli and petrol stations, hairbrushes maybe, but carpets? Maybe dogs. Not sand. Crisps.

Sex is absolute. No. Wait. Spectrum. Hawaii. Cheese. Elitism. Radiator.

I think what we should take away from this is that sex is Hawaii, and also elitist.

Argentina is in South America. But what of The Maldives or The Seychelles. Nowhere near as easy - Asia and Africa as it happens even though in holiday brochures they seem very similar.

I recommend a world atlas and/or an encyclopedia.

That Times article really has rattled cages, hasn't it?

It is like some sort of bizarre word salad on here.

Sex is absolute. No. Wait. Spectrum. Hawaii. Cheese. Elitism. Radiator.

At least Leon was funny. I laughed at how he reported the social media hounders of his two transgender children to "50 on his burner phone". Or was it his private detectives who involved the cops? Can't remember now.

Sex:

Male
Female

End!

We try to see the world as binary male and female. Mostly it works well but sex is more complex than that

How bizarre. Of all the ways to classify people, doing so by sex is definitely one of the most straight forward. 1 of 2 options.

We try to see cats and dogs as being separate species, but both generally have 4 paws and a tail so it's more complex than that.

This board makes me laugh. The women here are so articulate and can swear like navvies - love it!

What Lang eloquently said

We try to see the world as binary male and female. Mostly it works well but sex is more complex than that.

Hahahahahahahahah hahahahaha

So when you were conceived snappity how many sexes were involved?

Were you cloned from one parent?

Was there a strange act involving a third person?

Maybe there was a combination of human gametes and some other species fusing to make you?

Was there something different from the conception of every other human who has ever lived created from the binary of male and female gametes uniting.?

Or are you just making utter shit up?

If you can't win them over with facts then baffle them with bullshit, basically.

What the fucking fuck have the fucking continents got to do with a useless fucking public health campaign that excludes the very fucking people it is trying to fucking inform?

Just (fucking) wondering.

Just because you're not great at geography doesn't mean other people think that Hawaii is located just off of Los Angeles...

"Sex is binary."

It really isn't.

The way I look at it is like this. We all have an instinctive idea - we think - about the continents. And often it is easy. Argentina is in South America. But what of The Maldives or The Seychelles. Nowhere near as easy - Asia and Africa as it happens even though in holiday brochures they seem very similar.

How about Hawaii. America obviously. No. Oceania.

Then you start reaching the difficult ones like the Chagos Islands. I don't know if they are in a continent at all.

Humans naturally classify and group things. It's part of how we cope with the world. So we think of the world in terms of continents which mostly works well, but isn't perfect. We do the same with sex. We try to see the world as binary male and female. Mostly it works well but sex is more complex than that.

It's not 'compromise', it's complete capitulation. GRC and/or full transition are compromises

Yeah, I mean you do have to be living on a different planet to think that self-ID is in any way a 'compromise'. Compromise from what? You're letting every single person who says they are the opposite sex legally be treated as that. What could possibly go further? Maybe all people should automatically be assigned their opposite sex at birth instead... I think Snappity is extremely confused.

You aren’t able to say that you don’t have a problem with the single sex exemptions in the Eq A.

I don't have a problem with them

*I think I am thinking more about female-specific services and naked changing spaces. Do you have any view on that- is there in your view ever a situation where it is legitimate to segregate based on biology rather than gender identity?^

I don't have a penis. I have a vagina. Am I OK?

Do you think the single sex exemptions don’t apply to you because you have had surgery?

(That was in response to DietCoke's comment btw)

On the "not binary" thing, the fact that some people are born with disabilities, and some people are born with disorders of sexual development doesn't invalidate the binary any more than some people not being able to walk changes the fact that humans are a bipedal species biologically adapted via evolution for walking upright.

It demonstrates a level of selfishness that ought to appall anyone reading it.

It's now about the best possible compromise. And for me that is Self-ID.

It's not 'compromise', it's complete capitulation. GRC and/or full transition are compromises.

Sex is binary. The survival of the species depends on this. There are two reproductive roles, no more, no less. It really isn’t that complicated.
People are born to fulfil 1 of 2 roles even in cases of a-typical development and infertility.
Of course, people can be classified in lots of different ways and you can come up with some where there is a lot of ambiguity, but sex isn’t one of these.

So single sex is a fairy tale. It's now about the best possible compromise. And for me that is Self-ID.

I know it makes me a bigot, but I'm so upset by that statement. Females in third world countries are in desperate need of single-sex facilities and services, which helped to play a massive part in liberating females in first world countries. The fact people want to tear all of those provisions down in the UK is just heartbreaking and terrifying to me.

*"Your answer does suggest you see the value in single sex provision. Can you not see that it becomes mixed sex provision the moment a person of a different sex (as determined by their sexed body) enters it."

The question is how do we map sex which these days is definitely not binary onto male and female spaces? There quite simply isn't the sort of simplistic split some people on here want. Human biology was always too complicated for that; modern medicine has made it more complicated and medical advances over the next 20 years will just make that much more so.

So single sex is a fairy tale. It's now about the best possible compromise. And for me that is Self-ID.*

For me -

The way people feel is complicated.

Sex is binary.

Intersex is a muddle of genetics, misused by some to validate whatvere they want.

Gender is a nebulous and insidious black hole.

Self-ID is the most nebulous way of defining anything and therefore the worst possible compromise.

So you would like to keep single sex but for you the best solution is to let anyone who identifies into the single sex spaces, making them mixed biological sex? Yeah.... makes sense to me.