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Ministers commit to preserving sex-based exemptions

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EmpressOfSpartacus · 24/06/2018 07:53

Open access link: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ministers-put-curbs-on-trans-rights-7zx2cbh2j?shareToken=71ea2e364a4682a6395af2056695238d

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spontaneousgiventime · 24/06/2018 22:55
CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 24/06/2018 22:53

Have they ALWAYS been in Eurasia?

LangCleg · 24/06/2018 22:50

To Hawaii. Five-0.

And infinity! And beyond!

AngryAttackKittens · 24/06/2018 22:49

Mine is a packet of Maltesers, because I'm just so sweet.

(Dimples girlishly)

LangCleg · 24/06/2018 22:49

Are the Chagos Islands in Eastasia?

No. Eastasia went the way of Atlantis. If you would only fucking educate yourself you would fucking know this.

(Please don't smite me for fucking, MNHQ. I'm only fmucking about.)

spontaneousgiventime · 24/06/2018 22:49

I've got my daughter on the phone whinging about a new bed and which fucking one, you lot whinging about fucking pelvic floors and I wanna know where the fuck is cloud cuckoo land?

Damnthatonestakentryanother2 · 24/06/2018 22:48

Macareaux
I don't think there is any mileage in third spaces because many people who identify as a gender opposite to their natal sex want the validation that comes with using women's spaces. They are not going to stand for it.
How many more times?
The only thing that gets "validated" when I go into a changing room is whether whatever I am going buy actually fits or not.
When I go into a public loo, it's because I need to pee: it has nothing do with "validation"
And no, I am not going stand for it: it would make too much mess if I did.

LangCleg · 24/06/2018 22:47

My fucking pelvic floor is a packet of fucking Twiglets, thankyouveryfuckingmuch.

spontaneousgiventime · 24/06/2018 22:46

Where is cloud cuckoo land?

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 24/06/2018 22:44

Are the Chagos Islands in Eastasia?

Damnthatonestakentryanother2 · 24/06/2018 22:43

spontaneousgiventime
Dunno Pratchet. I say "person presenting opposite to their birth sex" mainly but have no problem saying trans man as they are women.

So you are just as happy to use terminology that trans men will find offensive as you are to use terminology that is offensive to trans-women. I suppose there's a certain symmetry about that.

Popchyk · 24/06/2018 22:40

Fuck off with the apologising, Lang.

If the fuckers don't like it they can fuck right off.

To Hawaii. Five-0.

Damnthatonestakentryanother2 · 24/06/2018 22:39

As I wrote earlier on today, but MNHQ saw fit to delete:-

Trans-women have been using "Ladies' loos for decades, and there has never been a single instance of a trans-woman attacking a non-trans-woman in a public toilet...
If a non-trans-man pervert/rapist really did want to go into a ladies' loo, why would he bother applying for a certificate that would make no difference to his legal right to be there, and which no-one would ask to see?

I've edited it, so I'm sure it's OK now.

spontaneousgiventime · 24/06/2018 22:36

LangCleg & AngryAttackKittens My pelvic floor just fell off due to laughing at you two.

ErrolTheDragon · 24/06/2018 22:36

I think people should be totally free to select their 'gender' ...aren't there 70+ options on some websites? It's sex that matters. You can't self-ID into a different sex, and it's sex based separate provisions which need defending.

For goodness sakes The Times should be more accurate in its terminology and not conflate the two.

AngryAttackKittens · 24/06/2018 22:35

The pelvic floor is a social construct, obviously, and also a spectrum. Possibly a packet of crisps.

LangCleg · 24/06/2018 22:34

(I suddenly realise I got my fucking thread fucking mixed up just up there a bit. Fucking sorry. Can I do more fucking posts? I like saying fucking, what with being a mature matron time and fucking all.)

spontaneousgiventime · 24/06/2018 22:33

Wait, if sex is Hawaii then where do incels live?

Miles away from me I hope!

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 24/06/2018 22:31

Snappity, word to the wise. Don't tell women on a parenting site that sex is Hawaii, spectrum, whatevs. Plays havoc with our pelvic floors.

AngryAttackKittens · 24/06/2018 22:31

Wait, if sex is Hawaii then where do incels live?

LangCleg · 24/06/2018 22:30

Gosh!

Ministers commit to preserving sex-based exemptions
ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 24/06/2018 22:29

Moving away from the EA and protection of women's spaces, I found this interesting in the times article:

Mordaunt has signalled she is not yet persuaded that people should be allowed to select their gender without requiring a formal medical diagnosis of “gender dysphoria

There has been a few folk saying how ridiculous it is having a story about laws not changing, but I find it interesting that it sounds as if Mordaunt is cautious about changing the GRA to allow self-ID...

Hopefully this might be the beginning of a row back on the desirability of self-ID? Hopefully the beginning of people realising potential negative impacts? Perhaps even looking at the GRA and EA and strengthening protection for women? Or am I being overly optimistic Blush

spontaneousgiventime · 24/06/2018 22:28

I dispute there are only 10 types of sex. My hubby and I found many other ways. Halo

YesItsADebate · 24/06/2018 22:27

@AngryAttackKittens Are you saying I’m supposed to be PAID for all this?! Flipping heck, I need to write some angry letters... Might not have the £ for stamps though as I’m spending an absolute fortune on train fares and buying entry to places that kick me straight out again... Angry emails it shall have to be! Thanks for the tip-off!

massivelyouting · 24/06/2018 22:26

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