Ministers commit to preserving sex-based exemptions

Just read the comments on then Indy article and a few things drew my attentionto me. I will put them here if Ok as I have an ilness that means I wont be able to do it tomorrow. Perhaps if useful someone will pick it up and or ignore as appropriate!!

One poster on the comments (a transwoman I understand) referred to there being a penalty for false declaration of self ID of up to 2 years in prison for perjury: Its one of those things that gets trotted out as supossed reasurance. but it got me thinking, that on what basis exactly could someone be accused of not having transitioned and how would it be proved that they had not? Iam googling but yet to find the answers. So by gender stereotypes one presumes and I would like to know exaclty how it could/ would be enforced or assessed, as like with the EA stuff, it is of no use if it cannot be enforced.

Also, there is mis-information going around saying that the EA only allows sex segragation in a few exceptional circumstances and elsewhere there is a blanket right to female spaces - it doesn't. It allows single sex spaces anywhere where an argument can be made that sex segregation is a proportionate means of acheiveing a legtimate aim.

And I believe 'case by case' means situation by situation, not necessarily person by person.

Anyway, also my huge thaks to all you great women fighting for all of this. i will carry on googling for an answer to the false delcaration stuff.

It added: 'Providers of women-only services [can choose not to] provide services to trans individuals, provided it is objectively justified on a case-by-case basis

This is just not bloody good enough

The Independent links your petition.

The mail is also reporting. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5880533/Women-allowed-bar-transgender-people-female-changing-rooms-toilets-ministers.html?login

ManFriday, Amy and Sweary

... and over the objections of the jumped up little prick who complained.

My post was deleted for suggesting that as a man I'd support a man using the men's toilets no matter what he was wearing. I will still support that over MNHQs objections as it is the right thing to do.

And already the comments are full of biology don't real. Sex is Hawaii!

The Independent has now picked this up: here.

They never bothered to tell us what they intended to do to women's rights last time they repealed and replaced the laws that protected women with the Equality Act in 2010.
This time we need to speak up and be heard.

Absolutely.

Wouldyoujudgeme

We always enjoy our Erasure on MN ;)

What was even more amusing was that before that video came on there was an advert for some music by a person who had the same name as a troll banned the other day.

Anyway, @SwearyG does most of the hard work. I just turn up in stupid outfits. Although, someone was the one who bought nipple pasties. Which aren’t edible

Gonna send a teddy to give you a big hug, cos you're a

Phone! Bleeding phone died! Not me!

They never bothered to tell us what they intended to do to women's rights last time they repealed and replaced the laws that protected women with the Equality Act in 2010.
This time we need to speak up and be heard.

Oops That looked very much like I was telling y’all off! I was talking to myself (happens increasingly often these days!) died and so there was a lag between my posts. As you were. Pelvic floors, swearing, Hawaii...

This thread wouldn't be here but for you.

Good righting of thread, my lovely.

Thank you for everything.

Back to the subject in hand... The government responded to the petition during my exam week so I’m thrilled that the Sunday Times has run it now. The government has committed to upholding the principle of single-sex spaces. Good. Now we need to demand that they do so. I was at an event yesterday where Emily Thornberry said, “There is absolutely no point in having a right if we can’t enforce it, because people take the mickey.” Changing the GRA to self-ID would make the right of women and girls to single-sex spaces unenforceable. Nic Williams has written an excellent explanation of why: here.

We asked in the petition for women’s voices to be heard. The government are preaching a consultation exercise. Good. Now we must ensure that women know there is a consultation, that it affects them and that they feel motivated to respond. Nic is running a fundraiser to do this: here.

Thankyou to all those people who have posted congratulations and support. Often, all I see is vitriol so it means a lot to read kind words. I’m very aware that I’m an absolute newcomer to this and that the change in public and media perception would never have started without the efforts of women who have been working on this for years and decades longer than I have. They have my utmost admiration and respect; this is a tough world to be in and they are battling through. On top of that, the #ManFriday team is incredible for their wit, enthusiasm and intelligence and I am very proud to be among them.

And Errol wins the thread!

Hmmm. I was thinking of the place where some people live.

So was it Vince Clarke who made off with the Chagos Islands and Andy Bell who made off with my pelvic floor? Or the other way around?

Cloud cuckoo land is in the sky, apparently:

'Aristophanes, a Greek playwright, wrote and directed a drama The Birds, first performed in 414 BC, in which Pisthetaerus, a middle-aged Athenian persuades the world's birds to create a new city in the sky to be named Nubicuculia or Cloud Cuckoo Land[3] (Νεφελοκοκκυγία, Nephelokokkygia), thereby gaining control over all communications between men and gods.'

Ha, but it didn't^ give control over communications between women.^

wouldyoujudgeme Great minds