Ministers commit to preserving sex-based exemptions

*Sex is binary

It really isn't.*

You utter pillock! Of course it is. If you want to reproduce, you need a male and female. There is no other option. Even the extremely dumb mice that launch themselves into my cat's mouth have figured that one out!

Playing fast and loose with the word 'secured' there.

What's your point there, Snappity? Just curious.

Everyone has a right to pee and women have fought to do it in a space where males are not allowed.

On a point of history, I suspect men secured that right for women.

Trans activists are also giving people false information in the hopes that they will believe it and that it will then be easier to achieve compliance with their aims.

A security guard would not get in trouble for removing a man from the women's toilets if the man did not say he was trans, and even if he did the security guard would still probably be fine.

Can anyone confirm if this will apply in Scotland?

Not in law as far as I know. Just watch how lobby groups edit their guidance documents.

^You could. But you would be guilty of an
offence. So would the security guard, if he were silly enough to try it. And the shop manager if they condone it^

Case in point. If there was no evidence that the individual in the toilet was trans or seeking to transition, there would be no offence in removing them from a female only area.

Trans activists are telling women that we must always assume that a man in a woman's toilet or changing area is trans. We must not question his presence there and to do so is to commit an offence. Trans activists tell us that there isn't a clash between trans and women's rights, but here you have it spelled out to you in black and white.

That's a matter of opinion, which I don't happen to share

The important thing is if women and girls share it and want male-free spaces.

but I don't feel enormously strongly about.

Why is your lack of feeling relevant?

What I do feel strongly about is my right to pee.

Everyone has a right to pee and women have fought to do it in a space where males are not allowed.

There are male toilets where people who are not female can both exercise their 'right to pee' at the same time as respecting women and girls hard-won entitlement to personal boundaries.

No one loses when people use the facilities designated for their actual sex.

HerFemaleness
Currently if I see a man in the women's toilets at Asda I can get the shop security staff to get him kicked out.
You could. But you would be guilty of an
offence. So would the security guard, if he were silly enough to try it. And the shop manager if they condoned it.

It's creating a system which is ripe for abuse But it isn't. It just isn't! No one has ever asked to see my ID in order to use a public look (not even in the USA) and I don't even carryy GRC around with me. Making it marginally easier to get a GRC changes absolutely nothing about access to loos!
If all our public toilets become unisex then it increases the risk of those sorts of crimes against women. That's a matter of opinion, which I don't happen to share, but I don't feel enormously strongly about. What I do feel strongly about is my right to pee.

If a non-trans-man pervert/rapist really did want to go into a ladies' loo, why would he bother applying for a certificate that would make no difference to his legal right to be there, and which no-one would ask to see?

That's not the point. Currently if I see a man in the women's toilets at Asda I can get the shop security staff to get him kicked out.

If it becomes the norm to see male bodied people in the female toilets because it's about identity now, and if you have a feminine identity you can use the women's toilets even if you are still indisputably male looking, it makes it easier for men with ill-intent to abuse the system. It makes it nearly impossible for women to identify them. It makes it impossible for business owners to identify who should really be using the women's loo's.

It's creating a system which is ripe for abuse, and riding rough-shod over the real and still valid reasons why women have single sex provision. You appear to believe no man would ever take advantage of the weaknesses in such a system. I don't consider this to be a reasonable belief.

You said that no woman has ever been abused by a transwoman in a toilet. That's irrelevant. Women have been assaulted by men in unisex toilets, as well as victims of other sexual crimes such as voyeurism. If all our public toilets become unisex then it increases the risk of those sorts of crimes against women.

The Equality Act afaik isn't something the devolved governments can alter.

Can anyone confirm if this will apply in Scotland?

Also there are a growing number of young women who transitioned and then detransitioned. Legal penalties for changing their minds and coming to peace with their own bodies? Really? Someone thought that was the road to go down?

Exactly!

Don't worry Rowan has posted a helpful link elsewhere

Currently dealing with a full on conscious refusal to protect the characteristic 'sex', is the reason I ask.

Can I ask the experts pls. All the legal victories in the seventies and eighties against sex discrimination - do we lose those, if we lose the EA? Say the EA was amended, or there was a precedent, so that the word 'sex' no longer meant 'sex' but instead meant 'gender'. It that all those hard won rights gone, just like that?

The Tories say a lot of things but then go on and do the opposite.

Scottish Consultation raised the possibility of giving up to 3 changes of gender in your life time.

Even this won't be flexible enough for a genderfluid person like Pips Bunce, who could go through that in a week.

AAK:
Legal penalties for changing their minds and coming to peace with their own bodies? Really? Someone thought that was the road to go down?

That was one the points I tried to query when responding to the Scottish consultation. What happens, when you change your mind, after swearing in law that you are a woman for ever, and not a man? (Even though you still have a penis.)

What happens if you change your mind? Are you fined or incarcerated?

I've changed my mind on loads of things. Still biologically female and therefore a woman, though!

Thank you Pratchet :) I cant tell you what it means to me to have some excellent women in my life - even if only virtually!

Also there are a growing number of young women who transitioned and then detransitioned. Legal penalties for changing their minds and coming to peace with their own bodies? Really? Someone thought that was the road to go down?

*sorry, that there is a 2 year jail term for a false declaration of something - may be a GRA or self ID (which we dont have here so I dont know why they are referring to it) Sorry I cannot fathom what they are referring to and obviously there are no links to sources!

Thanks sea, hope you feel well tomorrow x