Ministers commit to preserving sex-based exemptions

Also, the tone of the comments is changing. Much less of the I love it when the lefties are eating themselves and more of Thank God, some perspective is being injected.

ANYWAY. TO THE TOPIC OF THE THREAD.

I think the article is a step forward in terms of media framing - treating received wisdom as of course single sex exemptions need to be kept rather than oh my word, look at the latest fuss the feminazis are making.

But I agree that there is much more to be done in terms of actual constructive change in the way organisations and institutions and politicians are going about things.

It's a good idea Spontaneous.

I know exactly what I want to say to Snappity.

But they know too and that's what they want, then they can look all righteous and superior.

I'd rather let them spout their twisted, disgusting bullshit for themselves and show their true colours.

Kettle I have decided to remove the oxygen Snappity needs by posting the same reply. I refuse to be party to their brand of 'do as you're told'.

How can I tell if my cat is a natal cat? I know Snappity will tell me I should ask her, but I don't speak meow.

Dishonest? OMFG that made me laugh. The entire post is on a public forum but because I only posted the part relevant to the reply I wanted to make I'm dishonest.

I think the sun has got some people today and we have a spate of people with sunstroke.

You want dead women's wombs implanted into non natal women people. You believe people like CJ who have fathered children are equal to infertile women

Has anyone asked males if they feel about donating their genitals to someone else?

*spontaneousgiventime

MillyTheKid seeing as the posters quote was in bold and my reply not, your whining is moot.*

I don't think so actually. You could easily have posted it with the rest of the sentence to give it context but you deliberately chose not to. Dishonest.

What do you mean by "natal woman"?

For fucks sake. Well, at least everyone reading this will see the utter batshit craziness at work here 🙄

MillyTheKid seeing as the posters quote was in bold and my reply not, your whining is moot.

"Do you respect my right to demand a natal woman to perform my smear test, or to give intimate care to an elderly relative?"

What do you mean by "natal woman"?

*spontaneousgiventime

post-ops like Debbie should have access.

No.*

Why do you selectively quote from an explanation of a post to make it sound like someone has made a definitive pro-access statement... which no one has?

My only conclusion Snappity is that you are monumentally thick. Even trolls have better chat than you.

Snappity I refuse to engage with you. You want dead women's wombs implanted into non natal women people. You believe people like CJ who have fathered children are equal to infertile women and you are a GF.

How can you post this but then refuse to say that you don’t want it changed?

Oh wait, I know why. Because if you think the exemptions are acceptable (like the government does) then, like them, you would be admitting that transwomen are not in fact women.

Snappity you truly disgust me.

@spontaneousgiventime "Snappity I refuse to engage with you. You want dead women's wombs implanted into non natal women people. You believe people like CJ who have fathered children are equal to infertile women and you are a GF."

You see, the mistreatment of trans women is idealogical isn't it? If medicine offers ways for infertile women to be given a chance to have children you don't want trans women to have that chance, although it does not adversely affects women in any way.

Snappity
Do you respect my right to demand a natal woman to perform my smear test, or to give intimate care to an elderly relative? Women have been called bigots and transphobia for expecting this simple human right of bodily autonomy.
Transactivists have taken a win/lose strategy rather than a win/win. From the start they have chanted 'No debate. You can't really complain at the response.

Chasing not chasing!

snappity

That's it, isn't it? It isn't about safety or any of the other pretences. It's about wanting to establish natal sex as a new basis of discrimination

There are lots of ways you can categorise people. You can do so by sex (which is binary) or by gender. Chasing to do so by sex when sexed bodies have everything to do with the context is not always about safety. It can be about privacy and dignity and there is absolutely nothing wrong with this.

I found your apparent disbelief that people would want some provision to be determined by sexed bodies very difficult to comprehend.

Now, if you were campaigning for there to be no sex segregation and for all provision to be unisex, whilst I would strongly disagree with you, I would find your argument more credible.

I take it that’s a no then Damn.

You aren’t able to say that you don’t have a problem with the single sex exemptions in the Eq A.

In a major victory, ministers have vowed not to change a law nobody was proposing changing...

How can you post this but then refuse to say that you don’t want it changed?

Ha the irony. You're even taking my words.

It's not YOUR space.

I have no interest in 'experiencing' anything trans like some in the trans women see the novelty of being a women.

Campaign for a trans space.

PencilsInSpace
I don't believe the current GRC process is too costly or difficult.
When did you get yours?
I'm guessing that you haven't got one, and that you are going only by what is on the government website?
I have actually done it, and got one. I've been through the process.

You only need documents from the past two years
No, you don't. You need documents from when you transitioned. I thought they only wanted two years, because that's what the website seems to say. But they don't.
The guidance for completing the application form says 'Typically five or six different documents should be included'
Yes. It does, doesn't it. I phoned to check, and read out the list of documents that I had prepared. We eventually settled on a list of about a dozen or so.

^According to GIRES:
civil servants work directly with the applicants and do an excellent job in assisting applicants to put their information together in the most favourable way.^
Yes, they do. They did for me. But the experience of others has been different.
It's worth reading the government guidance (including the application forms and the full guidance documents)to understand exactly what the current process is.
Thank you for mansplaining that to me. But please note that I have a GRC, and (I assume) you do not. And if the prices is so simple, cheap, and effective , why did the Select Committee recommend that it needed to be simplified? Maybe the evidence suggested that the reality didn't quite match up with the theory?