Ministers commit to preserving sex-based exemptions

"In hospitals there are visitors of both sexes, and nurses too. In what way is this different?
*Could you define what you mean as 'sexes'?""

There are both male and female visitors.

women are actually comfortable in male spaces

Some women may be. Many others aren't. Women who've been raped or otherwise physically abused by males. Women from some cultures and religions.

Re hospitals... nurses are healthcare professionals and visitors on hospital wards have restricted visiting hours.

Kettlepotblackagain They have loads of respect too. It's how gently they do what they do that grabs attention.

"I can't imagine anyone here would object to Trans men in our spaces."

So you have no objection to trans men with beards, testosterone, honed bodies and male bits and who look male, just to trans women with boobs, estrogen and vulnerability and who look female.

I'd absolutely have no objection to female bodied trans people in female spaces.

When I first realised what was going on, there was very little media coverage. Now there's loads and so much of it is positive. #ManFriday have been at the forefront of this and it's brilliant. You never know what they'll do next and it's all done so politely and as said above with humour.

Agree. Absolutely credit to ManFriday. There is no doubt that their campaign bought this to the public attention. I agree as well that the way they conduct themselves is fantastic and that's why they have such a lot of support.

The only objection I would have is this. If someone like Buck Angel, who passes completely, were to use women's toilets, the intention would only be to cause mischief. Plus, they (in general, not Buck) have a higher propensity, according to the Swedish study, of committing violent crime.

If they pass there's no reason for them to use transient female spaces like loos, gym change, shop fitting rooms etc.

I see

Can't think of how to reply to that one.

Snappity
In hospitals there are visitors of both sexes, and nurses too. In what way is this different?
Could you define what you mean as 'sexes'?

"#ManFriday have been at the forefront of this and it's brilliant."

They are great at proving that although women say that they only feel safe if trans women are excluded from single sex spaces, women are actually comfortable in male spaces. #ManFriday are proving to everyone that no change to single sex spaces is needed. They are doing a brilliant job as you say.

In what way is it different?

Er. The sleeping. The vulnerability of the sleeper whilst sleeping???? The taking off of the clothes?? The vulnerabilty of the person who has to undress ???

I would not want to get undressed or to sleep in a hospital ward, dormitory or prison etc. with a male bodied person. I would be happy to include female bodied trans people in these spaces.

I can't imagine anyone here would object to Trans men in our spaces.

"I would not want to get undressed or to sleep in a hospital ward, dormitory or prison etc. with a male bodied person. I would be happy to include female bodied trans people in these spaces."

That's positive, but there is one thing I don't understand. In hospitals there are visitors of both sexes, and nurses too. In what way is this different?

When I first realised what was going on, there was very little media coverage. Now there's loads and so much of it is positive. #ManFriday have been at the forefront of this and it's brilliant. You never know what they'll do next and it's all done so politely and as said above with humour.

*Don't just congratulate the ManFridays , my understanding a number of old school stealth people with GRC,s have been meeting with a number of MP,s

working behind the scenes , as I have tried telling everyone these are decent folks , many I count as friends ,

and are more Anti - Self ID than anyone !*

That's fantastic.

Absolutely. Anyone registered where such articles are printed should take a minute or two to go and uprate the best comments. Hopefully, this will add to their willingness to publish.

I've taken out subscriptions and registered with newspapers who do publish GC articles. I think it's vital to post the truth and not allow misconceptions to stand. The problem with the Fail is, half the time they don't publish comments and Guardian very rarely have open comments. The Times always do.

Don't just congratulate the ManFridays , my understanding a number of old school stealth people with GRC,s have been meeting with a number of MP,s

working behind the scenes , as I have tried telling everyone these are decent folks , many I count as friends ,

and are more Anti - Self ID than anyone !

The problems people with gender reassignment are experiencing are due to extreme trans activism, those with no GRC pushing self-ID and making extraordinary demands that damage women and children. There was no problem for years women and transsexuals got along ok.

Now in Mexico you have the same problem, people can't tell who is who and the Guardian reported men are pretending to be trans and are taking political spaces intended for women.

massivelyouting
^And hate crime is already illegal and if you believe a crime committed against you is a transphobic hate crime then you are within your rights to seek to have it recorded as such.

Guidance here www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/hate-crime/sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity-hate-crime/

So the law has no need to change in this aspect.^
Completely different thing. Pretty much any crime can be a hate crime if its is motivated by hate.
Inciting hatred is a specific offence (Public Order Act 1986 and Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006)

massivelyouting
Damn your first sentence doesn't make sense. Sorry, yes, you are right. That's what comes of trying to keep up with a pile-on, I'm afraid.
Here's the gist of what I was trying to say:
I would like to see inciting hatred on the grounds of gender reassignment made a criminal offence.
It's already a criminal offence to incite hatred against people who have made the lifestyle choice to follow one religion rather tan another, so I think there is a strong case for applying similar protection to those who who suffer from gender incongruence.

spontaneousgiventime
I've been deleted as well but I can't remember what I said.
Just look back at some of your old posts.
Whatever it was, you are bound to have said it before.
No-one has said anything new on this subject for yonks.
Same old rubbish going round and round

This is why we need main stream media to print these stories. Even articles in the Fail get a reasonable % of sensible GC comments.

Absolutely. Anyone registered where such articles are printed should take a minute or two to go and uprate the best comments. Hopefully, this will add to their willingness to publish.