Ministers commit to preserving sex-based exemptions

Snappity, how would you calculate the statistics? 100% of those assaulted are assaulted?

How are statistics for women calculated. Are they not based on all women?

jellyfrizz
Thanks for that. I was wondering when it was going to be published. I had 26th June in my head for some reason

Snappity: those people come under the trans umbrella. Figures for trans populations are taken from Wikipedia, where all sections trans-related are written by transadvocates. If you have a problem with those statistics please take it up with them. I know that Natacha Kennedy is a Wiki editor and may be able to help you with this.

I attach the Stonewall trans umbrella.

Those statistics are meaningless because the total trans population used to calculate them includes those who cross dress for a few hours a week in the safety of their own home or a trans venue who are obviously at low risk and are only visibly trans for a few hours a week.

Damnthatonestakentryanother2
There is no law that excludes men from ladies toilets or vice versa. It is difficult to imagine how the security guard might "remove" someone without committing an assault, or using g threatening behaviour.... ergo, a criminal offence
The staff member would be entitled to remove a man in the women's toilets. It's clearly signed and refusal to leave when asked could be a breach of the peace. Just as any customer behaving in an anti social manner could be removed from private premises.

quick comparison of murder rates using FBI figures

Awesome Pratchet

Sheila Jeffreys The politics of the toilet: A feminist response to the campaign to ‘degender’ a women's space (it's a pdf that opens in the browser).

A good overview of the history of women's lavatories, some statistics, and thoughtful discussion.

Does it help if I have statistics that they aren't?

Damn do you have statistics for your claim that you're at more risk of violence than other posters?

Also found this:

The Government will publish the consultation on the Gender Recognition Act before summer recess. We have assessed the impact of consulting on reforming the gender recognition process as part of our Public Sector Equality Duty.

Here: www.parliament.uk/business/publications/written-questions-answers-statements/written-question/Commons/2018-06-19/155328/

Might be worth keeping an eye out for the answer to this:

www.parliament.uk/business/publications/written-questions-answers-statements/written-question/Lords/2018-06-26/HL8984/

HerFemaleness
Case in point. If there was no evidence that the individual in the toilet was trans or seeking to transition, there would be no offence in removing them from a female only area.
Yes, there would. There is no law that excludes men from ladies toilets or vice versa. It is difficult to imagine how the security guard might "remove" someone without committing an assault, or using g threatening behaviour.... ergo, a criminal offence.

Trans activists are telling women that we must always assume that a man in a woman's toilet or changing area is trans.
On the contrary, I (and I think most others) have been pointing out (repeatedly, every time you post this straw man argument) that any man can use ladies'loos. They don't need to put on a wig or a dress or change their name or get a GRC to do it. That is why all this fuss about the GRC is so ridiculous: it doesn't make a shred of difference to who can go into which loo!

We must not question his presence there and to do so is to commit an offence. Trans activists tell us that there isn't a clash between trans and women's rights, but here you have it spelled out to you in black and white.
I can see no clash, and so far no-one has been able to show me one. I don't want rapists or pervs in the loo that I'm using any more than you do -- particularly as (statistically) I am at more risk of violence from them than you are.

Rowan thank you. I have tried so many combinations of words, and delved in five to six pages. I feel like I might have to go to an encyclopaedia.

I take that back. I know already.

We do have their balls in our hands right now.

Tell me what you want to do with this position?

I am paid to tell them, tell me please?

www.museumoflondon.org.uk/discover/womens-right-work-toilet-bathroom-victorian-london-wwi-factory-protest

Here is a bit of history.
I will find the bit about the men burning down the first women's public loo and post it.

We talk about Orwellian but it's not just the language and the Newsspeak. It's the rewriting of history. If some TRA techies decide it didn't happen - voila. It disappears.

I'm sick of this. All I can find is this

www.jstor.org/stable/3527271?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Please if anyone has the link, do post, I'll be so grateful

Seriously can anyone link me to that? I've seen the link before but the TRA techies have obviously decided that it's so damaging to the cause we are not allowed to see it.

Funnily enough bewilderness, a google search with the specific search 'men burn down first women's public toilet' does not offer me any information on this historical fact. Instead I get lots of offers of transadvocate opinions on why male-bodied people must have access to toilets for females. Google is so tiresome.

On a point of history, I suspect men secured that right for women.

No. The men burned down the first women's public loo in London.
They felt rather strongly that they did not wish to share the public sphere with women and wanted women to keep to their homes. 150 years later they appear to be of the same mind.

Single sex provision for various services is important to women and girls. This is impossible if there is no objective metric for determining who is female. It doesn't necessarily mean people have to carry ID - the fact that a male entering a female space knows that it can be proved he's a male will be a major deterrent. People's behaviour is greatly influenced, unfortunately, by what they can get away with. The definition of male/female has to be possible to verify.

Personally (I know many have good reason to disagree) I would be happy to say that someone with a GRC obtained after proper assessment that they are indeed trans and are unlikely to pose a danger to the opposite sex (so not TW who have a history of rape or violence towards women, not ever) would be deemed to have verified proof that they were allowed to access (some) female spaces. Analogous to a visa.

How do bunnies figure out which other bunnies to shag in order to make more bunnies? Truly a mystery for the ages. Maybe they hold a pronoun round before the shagging begins?

How do bunnies figure out which other bunnies to shag in order to make more bunnies? Truly a mystery for the ages. Maybe they hold a pronoun round before the shagging begins?