Why are trans things discussed in Feminism section not a separate topic or have I missed something?

Snappity

Intersex women are women. But I think you know that

I think ‘biologicaly elitist’ must be the latest wokespeak for biologically literate.

"Because there isn't. There's just the first lot and the other lot aren't included in feminism AT ALL."

Again the exclusion not just of trans women, including those who are legally female, on the basis of biological elitism but intersex women too.

Also,

Angry

How are you coping with not having a prostate?

Angry

How dare you? You are being ageist in even suggesting it.

Dear Mumsnet, I'm concerned that if I suggest to DH that he books himself in for a prostate exam now that he's not so young any more and don't book myself one too he may feel hurt on the grounds that I'm being biologically elitist by implying that I don't need to get my prostate checked too. Should I...

a. book myself in for a prostate exam too even though I don't have a prostate so as to avoid making him feel slighted?

b. suggest that he identify as still being 25 so the whole issue can be avoided for now

c. LTB?

Pacers

The other one may feel left out and not good enough.

Presumably me selecting which of my children to send to school with sanitary protection from age 10 onwards is “Biological Essentialism”?

Damn, never realised I was arbitrarily choosing which of them were worthy of joining my club.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/10/04/cambridge-universitys-womens-colleges-set-re-examine-admissions/amp/

Of course you are right - it is New Hall, with Newnham obliged only to accept those with a GRC. It is still being targeted, as described within.

Sorry. I'm going to need 'biological elitism' explained.

Is your point that there is a hierarchy - on MN/in life/in the wrongthinky minds of rad fems - which please? - that has women born with XX chromosomes on the top and then people born with XY chromosomes on the bottom?

Because there isn't. There's just the first lot and the other lot aren't included in feminism AT ALL.

HTH.

Why is it our problem that some people can't accept their male biology?

It is unfortunate that discussons are stll seen as 'trans issues' the issues are in fact women's and children's and how they are affected by trans rights activists.

As these also involve the wider issues of free speech, lobbying and parliamentary process, statutory services and provision these issues affect everyone in society.

Biological elitism = womb envy.

I would be in favour of a Trans board. For those posters who are transgender and they can talk amongst themselves. I would not post on it.

Back here on FWR we'd still talk about women's rights and experiences. Of course that would include how the transgender issue affects us and our children. Because there are no women's rights if women = (women + men).

Snappity

Define 'good enough'

For most feminists you see it's not a case of 'being good enough' as a sort or competitive qualifier, it's more a case of just 'being'.

I'm not a dolphin. Bloody biological elitism!

Sorry snappity can you explain what you mean when you say 'woman' because we need to have the same meaning for a word in a conversation.

If there's no biological elitism then nobody will say that trans women's biology isn't good enough for them to be accepted as women

mnhq: tssdncop

@Pratchet Newham Ladies' College

Are you sure you don't mean Murray Edwards previously Newhall?
If you do mean Newnham, can you post a link or PM me one?

OP. I think it is relatively simple. If all discussions of trans and self-id had to be on a trans board than large swathes of people wouldn't realise that self-id potentially impacts on the safety and rights of women. They would assume self-id is 'just' a 'trans' issue when it is very much a 'women's issue' as well.

"The aim is to destroy the Mumsnet feminist community, then leave Mumsnet in order to obliterate any other women's gathering that dares to be gender critical".

I don't think they'll leave if they destroy FWR, Lang. They'll be onto Pregnancy and Relationships and Chat in order to root out wrongthink.

Mumsnet is a mainstream platform with considerable political clout. Of course they'll try to leverage that. They will want Mumsnet to partner with Stonewall and Mermaids. Of course they'd need Mumsnet to change its name in order to be more inclusive. But that's easy enough. It is just a name and MNHQ have been clear that women should be kind to men who tell them what language they are allowed to use to describe themselves.

biological elitism???!!!

Bwhahahahahahahaha!

Oh that is hilarious. My face hurts from laughing.

In response to the OP, there has been a long running debate about whether trans issues should have it's own topic, and the consensus decision is no. Have a look in Site Stuff as I'm sure there are threads their detailing the various arguments.

Pearly, trans ideology poses the most significant threat to the rights, opportunities and safety of women and girls in decades. We're feminists so these issues are central to us.

Women's sports, prisons, hospital wards, all women shortlists - all single sex spaces are threatened. That's why we care.

When FWR is destroyed there will simply be a move to the next target.

Yes. There is no actual interest in Mumsnet, feminism, or being part of the Mumsnet feminist community. The aim is to destroy the Mumsnet feminist community, then leave Mumsnet in order to obliterate any other women's gathering that dares to be gender critical.