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Anyone up to speed with the Lindsay Shepherd case (the Canadian TA)?

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ConfessionsOfTeenageDramaQueen · 23/06/2018 21:23

For those who aren't Lindsay is a 20-something TA at a Canadian University. Last November she was teaching a class on pronouns and, during the class, showed a 5 minute clip of a debate (that had been broadcast on Canadian TV) that featured a panel of speakers discussing gender pronouns in the context of trans issues.

The panel consisted of a few people including a trans-man, and Jordan Peterson.

After the class a student mentioned the clip to someone who reported it to the local LGBT group on campus who complained to the faculty who hauled her into a disciplinary meeting, which she had the presence of mind to record.

The meeting is 40 minutes long but I implore you to listen: not only does it give an insight into the Orwellian mindset of these two male professors, but their comments are absolutely dripping with sexism:

I'd be interested to know what others make of this case.

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Offred · 24/06/2018 01:25

I think it is both understandable and a shame that she is being nudged in the direction of the right wing as a result of this crap TBH.

I watched some of her interviews on YouTube and I find it uncomfortable how she is being courted by the rightwing and how she is vulnerable to this in a way because the left is condemning and vilifying her.

Watching the development is a case study in radicalisation. She reminded me of things Blair white says about her past as a SJW.

It seems Lindsay started out as being quite open and due to the crazy level of attention, much of it negative she is hardening her views. I don’t know if she’ll commit to rightwing views or not but certainly she’s been courted by it and is vulnerable to the tactics given she is receiving support from them when others she previously identified with are being horrible.

She’s human, that’s not surprising.

jgrobinson · 24/06/2018 01:24

Interesting to hear your insight blackdog. I haven't worked if she was a right-winger from the start, or whether she was driven to the right by the SJW response to her. E.g. white tears:
quillette.com/2017/12/09/white-women-tears-wilfrid-laurier-critical-theory/

blackdoggotmytongueagain · 24/06/2018 01:14

yeah - I was TAing at the same time and found the university's stance appalling. They did back down and she got an apology. It's interesting. At the time I supported her unequivocally (and I still support her) but she seems to have been stuck on a pedestal by a less salubrious following that can make her appear less free speech and more bigoted, which is a shame. (I don't mean JP - I don't follow the knee jerk dismissal of his stuff). She hasn't made too many friends with her controversial choices since the incident, if I'm honest. She's tried very hard to use deliberate controversy to big up her fame - the speaker series she was involved with have had some very controversial figures. (I don't believe in no-platforming in universities - but the deliberate choices of highly inflammatory speakers have made me wonder a bit about whether she was actually deliberating courting controversy using the clip, and the 'innocent grammar lesson' thing wasn't quite true...)
anyway. Yeah I follow the story as I am very aware of the pro-trans massive in Canadian academia, and I am curious as to outcomes. I follow Lindsay on twitter. I am... on the fence. But she's an interesting figure in pro-free-speech terms.

tobee · 24/06/2018 01:12

This is so appalling. She comes across so well. They come across as bullies who are trying to brainwash her. They keep regurgitating the same argument. It's disgusting that this is what universities think they should be about. In 2018. Actually it's a disgraceful. It seems to render the purpose of university education redundant.

fmsfms · 24/06/2018 00:50

Jordan Peterson is also suing the University

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 24/06/2018 00:13

There's a short interview with Lindsay last December .

Childrenofthestones · 23/06/2018 23:21

Shes brilliant.
It must have taken balls of steel as a TA to take these bullies on.

TransplantsArePlants · 23/06/2018 22:01

TA = Teaching Assistant, not Trans Activist

ConfessionsOfTeenageDramaQueen · 23/06/2018 21:46

I hadn't seen the previous threads - are they recent? It's in the news again because she's now suing the university.

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boatyardblues · 23/06/2018 21:33

This has been covered in previous threads & the general consensus was she fought her corner well.

Typeractive · 23/06/2018 21:32

When the incident was properly investigated by the University, it emerged that there had in fact been no complaint from any student, the professors had trumped it all up so that they could summon Lindsay Shepherd to their nasty little kangaroo court.

I'm really glad she had the presence of mind to record them. Bullies.