Jenn Smith is a transgender male (born male, expressing fem)

Jenn actually changed twitter bio away from 'male to female' after being called on it by feminists. I'm slightly concerned at the follower/followed ratio though. Lecturer rather than listener? Don't know but I agree with much of what Jenn says.

Kettlepotblackagain Agree. I hate that I'm either expected to play nice or lie. NO!

I know don't worry Spontaneous, didn't mean to come across harsh just wanted to explain as I can't stand being treated like a child X

Kettlepotblackagain I know what you mean. Sorry for coming across as if I was belittling what you meant, it wasn't intended that way. I'm still very peeved by that thread, it was bone chilling.

womanformallyknownaswoman That poster caused a lot of hurt and upset today. There is the full thread in a PDF in the other place if anyone missed it. They did troll and they caused distress to many women. I am not going onto the naughty step for telling the truth.

The naughty step was a reference to, quite frankly, the patronising way adult women are being treated. I'm not actually feeling like I am on the naughty step. Far from it.

No prizes for guessing what happened there. They add absolutely nothing to the debate, yet are able to patrol around all the threads throwing out disgusting and offensive comments, reporting left right and centre silencing women.

What I said still stands too. I'll call out bullying when I see it.

spontaneousgiventime

You expressed the collective consciousness of most women here - trolling is despicable

Oo. I've been deleted. My post might not stand but what I said does and the person it was aimed at probably read it and ran to tell teacher. I'm not going on the naughty step.

Snappity

This appears goady to me.

What is goady is you telling women who struggle with fertility, that transwomen who can father children, like Caitlyn Jenner, are, in fact, infertile women and should have the right to a womb implant.

Also sisters be careful. I suspect some people use threads like this to force strikes on some of us and myself and others need you to learn from and develop our understanding/argument/resolve.

I have no idea what that means

They have written some really interesting pieces,

Jen is an old school transvestite and doesn't appropriate womanhood.

I remember when appropriation was a bad thing, happy days.

Talk Guidelines I think

Its the policing I cant stand. You can call yourself whatever you like. I just dont want to be obliged to accept the terminology. The best I can do out of courtesy (which I can choose to offer or withhold) is to avoid all pronouns and just always use someones name. I vehemently object to legal fudging and legal recognition for anything other than biological reality although I accept, having worked in that field previously, that the law operates very differently to science (science likes a bright line, the law absolutely does not - I think that is why people get confused sometimes).

YY Prawn

Jenn Smith refers to themselves as a transgender identified male - are we to be sanctioned for misgendering / misnaming them in order to comply with some arbitrary doublethink that enables bullying of women?

Policing of speech is a very very slippery slope

The TRAs seem to reject terms that accurately describe an individual's sex. When this preference take precedence it has a quelling effect on debate. It's tricky to avoid mentioning someone's sex when this is the only feature about them relevant to your discussion.

Who holds the power in this situation is very, very obvious. It's women who are being silenced and, when not silenced, muted. I am so disappointed in MNHQ for caving to pressure from hateful misogynists.

I have a lot of respect for Jenn Smith. Has both guts and integrity.

Thank You OP for bringing to our attention a transgender person who meets us in our critical thinking

transwomen/transman are confusing though if you are new to the debate.

it takes a while to work out which way they are going.

just get the hang of one set of words and they are banned and another set are introduced. It is hard to keep up.

I like Jenn Smith - they talk sense and completely understand the undue influence young people are subjected to via social media being weaponised. And why do we have to reject the terms that Jenn describes themselves as - a transgender identified male. I have zero problem with their writing and thinking - particularly their insights into the vulnerability of pre-trans youth:

and in this sense pre-trans youths are already blank slates awaiting a new identity, because there can be no greater a rejection of self than to reject one’s own body and biological self.

They get that body distress is at the root of the confusion of many young people - but that there are multiple causes -as the post Taking it out on your body illustrates. This is a complex area and doesn't warrant black and white, simplistic approaches.

I would go along with this trans person, based on what I have read of theirs - they are remarkedly well researched around cults and coercion and catching people when they are vulnerable and then subjecting them to undue influence, for the gain of vested interests.

I'd like to @MNHQ have them on for a Q&A