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Female competition?

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Babycakes6 · 22/06/2018 22:22

I work in a male dominated field and had my share of dealing with misogyny. After 20 years of this, I finally got some female colleagues who are 20 years younger and new graduates but still I was so happy that my industry is changing.
I tried to mentor one but she said she is fine and wanted a senior male to mentor her instead.
She asked our director to check my work, didn’t stop until she got her way and then started screaming at me saying my work is bad quality, not up to standards but she herself has never done any work! How can she give a constructive criticism if she never constructed anything. And she loves criticising me!
Why does a girl who is half my age, hates me so much? I’m shocked. She sees me as competition and imitates whatever I do. She also always checks/ wants to know what I’m working on and tries to get on the project.
Also I noticed that if I’m a friend with someone in the office she tries to compete for that person/ tries to befriend him/her. Is this bullying?
I feel like I’m back in a high school, which is just ridiculous I have a daughter who is about to start high school!
I don’t know what to do. I started looking for another job. I have never been picked on at school, I was always popular with girls and had a lot of girl-friends. I did have girls competing with me for a certain guys and my mum thought me to blame a buy so I would always let go in such a case, blaming the guy.
I’m not beautiful (I was when I was younger) or rich. I don’t have something that a younger girl would be envious of. I just don’t understand. Why would someone go so viciously after me when I was being nice and try to help her since Day 1?
I had a few female friend in the past which tried to compete but they were few and far between.
Why does she want to compete with me is beyond me. We are not alike, two totally different generations, experiences, personalities. Please help! This is so crazy!

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PeakPants · 23/06/2018 14:56

Where does it say it comes from jealousy? I don't think that is true at all and I would ignore any sources that say it does. People bully for all sorts of reasons- men and women. Anyway, we won't be able to magically work out what she would be jealous of. The point is that she is behaving in an unacceptable way and you need to do something about it. That will involve going to HR/ her line manager.

BertrandRussell · 23/06/2018 14:55

Line manager.

Babycakes6 · 23/06/2018 14:53

What is there to struggle to understand. I am reading about female bullying and it said in 90% of cases it comes from the jealousy. My work is hard, very responsible and not that well paid, nobody wants my job!! Nobody could possibly be jealous of me. I can’t believe this is happening to me and I’m tying to figure why and how to avoid this in the future.

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BertrandRussell · 23/06/2018 14:49

Why do you not want to go through your line manager, OP?

PeakPants · 23/06/2018 14:49

I know you are not her manager- you have clarified this. Does she have What obstacle is in the way of you raising this officially with her manager or HR?

PeakPants · 23/06/2018 14:48

You have had loads of advice. This largely consists of go to your line manager and/or confront the person in question.

I have no idea why she is behaving like this and nor does anybody else. Some people behave badly at work. That is why there is a disciplinary process. Surely you know this. Is there a reason why you do not want to follow the appropriate channels.

Babycakes6 · 23/06/2018 14:47

For the 100th time I am not her manager

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Babycakes6 · 23/06/2018 14:45

You are not feminists you are bullies like her.

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Babycakes6 · 23/06/2018 14:44

What is going on here and why?
I helped her with everything she asked and offer to be her mentor for the Chartership. Was that offer somehow offensive? Did it belittle her? Why do women pick on other women? How is this NOT a feminist issue?
Also if you can’t help me answer this please don’t comment at all. I don’t need comments like ‘you are bad manager’ (when I’m not managing this at all) you might want to say my team is under a bad management!
Also other comments like I’m generalising women- I am not. I’m seeking help with female bullying and if you don’t think it’s a feminist domain then just simply don’t answer. Thank you

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BertrandRussell · 23/06/2018 14:43

“Why is she picking on me and being super friendly with all the males? What is going on?”
Who knows?

Why aren’t you discussing it with your line manager?

PeakPants · 23/06/2018 14:41

Why is she picking on me and being super friendly with all the males? What is going on?

How on earth would we know? Maybe she is a misogynistic little cow. In order to find out you must follow proper workplace procedures and raise the issue with your line manager, outlining specific examples of her behaviour.

deydododatdodontdeydo · 23/06/2018 14:40

How did you get to be 45 without dealing with a few workplace conflicts?
If she's screaming your work is a joke at you, that's highly unprofessional, and as her manager you should be making that clear.
Or if you're not the manager, you should be telling her manager.
Is there no feedback process to relate her performance to others?
Someone shouting abuse at another staff member is grounds for HR to be involved.
This is nothing to do with her, or you, being a woman.
Do you struggle to deal with people in other areas of life?

PeakPants · 23/06/2018 14:39

Training on how to support graduates? It seems that you struggle with this because of a lack of assertiveness and failing to nip some quite extreme behaviour by a subordinate in the bud. I would say training would be beneficial here.

I still struggle to understand how instead of having a word with said graduate and telling the boss, you start talking about how this must be typical of all women, must be due to jealousy and start thinking of things she might be jealous of (and concluding that the only things she could possibly be jealous of must be money or looks). If you have worked in this industry for such a long time, you must be used to supporting and guiding more junior staff members. I know junior people are capable of bullying older people, but I do struggle with the approach you are taking and your assumption that this is a feminist issue because all women are like this.

Babycakes6 · 23/06/2018 14:38

It is a feminist issue. Why is she picking on me and being super friendly with all the males? What is going on?

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Babycakes6 · 23/06/2018 14:36

When did I say ‘how all women act’? I said I don’t want to ruin her career (the boys’ club will take care of it) or have a conflict at work and I was asking how to deal with this correctly.

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Babycakes6 · 23/06/2018 14:34

I am not managing the team! I am part of the team, just a senior member who is supporting new graduates with mostly technical questions/ work delivery. I am not a manger, not trained or equiped to be a manager. You said I’m in dire need of training, what training would that be? I don’t mind doing any course/training which would help me avoid situations like this in future. I do not like conflict! I am upset by ‘dirty looks’ and find the situation bizarre.

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PeakPants · 23/06/2018 14:28

No, envy is not the sole reason for bullying by the way. And having a clash with one female colleague is not a reason for writing off the behaviour as ‘how all women act’ and posting about it on a feminist board. How is it a feminist issue?

Babycakes6 · 23/06/2018 14:26

The situation is just like at school, dirty looks and all, but I’m 45! How am I unprofessional, I am just tying to avoid a conflict and trying to understand how did this come about? What are we competing for?

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PeakPants · 23/06/2018 14:25

How have you survived 20 years in the workplace. No, you don’t say stop bullying me, you calmly say ‘the way you are speaking to me is completely inappropriate and I will report it to the line manager if it happens again. I am willing to sit down and discuss the report with you and answer any questions, but the way you have just behaved is no way to speak to a colleague’. You then write up a report of the incident and email your line manager with the recommendation that maybe she needs some training on professional behaviour.

I think you also sound in dire need of some training on how to manage a team.

NotTerfNorCis · 23/06/2018 14:25

I'm not sure this belongs on the Feminist board.

Having said that, yelling at someone that their work is a joke is bang out of order. It is bullying whether it's from someone junior, senior or on the same level. I would withdraw from working with her if you can. No doubt she'll be bullying whoever gets stuck with her next.

I also work in a male-dominated industry and for most of my working life have been the only woman on whatever team I happened to join. Just recently we recruited quite a few women, mostly younger than me. There have been no problems.

Babycakes6 · 23/06/2018 14:24

How exactly is my behaviour odd and unprofessional? I do not know how to go about it.
They say people get bullied because someone is invious. All I said I’ve got nothing she could possibly be jealous of!!

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Babycakes6 · 23/06/2018 14:20

I didn’t really talk to her. What am I going to say? Please stop bullying me?
I told our director that new graduates are too demanding ( 5 of them
in my team and it’s hard work) and that she doesn’t respect me and that I would like to change the team. I didn’t really complain about her and I don’t know how to go about this situation. I don’t have the time or nerves for a conflict and I’m tying to avoid her but she gives me ‘dirty look’ every now and then.

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BertrandRussell · 23/06/2018 14:20

And to be talking about relationships with boys at school and having once been beautiful and all that stuff. OP. Organise a meeting with her and your director or whoever is her line manager and your line manager and sort out some proper working guidelines. She needs to understand what is appropriate workplace behaviour.

PeakPants · 23/06/2018 14:16

Also someone who thinks this is weird. It sounds like there is a huge problem with boundaries here but why label it ‘female behaviour’? This is one person- not all women. It seems odd for someone with 20 years experience to have one difficult workplace relationship and immediately ask ‘are all women like this?’.

Furx · 23/06/2018 14:13

I think I understand with the mentor thing

You were asked by your employer to be a workplace mentor, help her settle. And teach her the job by going through your projects.

The work you do is engineering based?

So you kindly offered to be the named mentor for her chartered status? Which is different to workplace mentoring and is indeed huge. Lack of a mentor for my most recent application is what has held me back. They are SO hard to find. Especially one in the actual place you are working, doing the same job, so can direct you to the stuff that really counts towards the application. Mentors are a personal thing, so I get that she might make a seemingly random decision about that. In th past i have chosen a less well qualified person that I just got on better with. No disrespect to the others person, I just felt I could have a more productive working relationship with one rather than the other.

She sounds odd. I’d back right off.

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