High court refuses gender neutral passports

Safer for all to have bio sex, F/M and then an extra symbol for those who present unusually (at their request) to avoid unnecessary indignities.

Agreed Betty, the M or F should be left, and should match biological reality.

If someone has reassignment surgery, instead of changing the M to F or vice versa, why not have a code or some kind of denoter on the passport that will reference this, then any incidents as described by Snappity could be reduced.

A person legally designated x or neutral would presumably need to be searched by a security person of the same classification, it would be their right under the 2010 act, I believe.

I think a passport needs an identifier to denote who will be responsible for carrying out a cavity search in airport security.

With that in mind, I believe the identifier should be based on bio sex.

News flash - Missing person / person taken ill on flight/body found on baggage carousel.

Do you know this person? Description as follows:
5'8
Short dark hair
Blue eyes
Medium build
Wearing jeans and t-shirt
Errrrr Man! Woman! (Well that's cut the calls to the help line by 50% for starters)

"but why the fuck do you care so much about about a letter the size of an ant on your passport?"

Some countries won't be safe at all for people with an X in their passport but in many others what gets one through security checks with a minimum of fuss is having a passport which matches one's gender presentation (and genitalia is they use body scanners). If someone's gender presentation is not classically male or female as understood in the country being visited (or changing plane) then an X might reduce the hassle experienced.

Good.

I don't really see the point of having gender on passports at all, to be honest.

Having sex on passports helps airlines work out the loads on passenger flights (using averaged reference data). I know someone who was on a flight where the captain gave the passengers a chice between leaving some of the passengers behind or some of the sports equipment from the hold (to follow on the next flight), but it couldn’t take both because there were too many men on the flight & it had pushed them over the limit. Also a friend on a flight where the company went bust whilst they were in the air (long haul) and they had to count the passengers & calculate whether they had enough fuel to complete the final leg of the flight after a stopover, as the stopover airport would not refuel the plane.

I don't get the angst of having M or F on your passport, much as it is referred to as gender, lets be honest, it's to identify your sex really (until GRC's meant it could be changed).

You cannot identify out of biology, feel whatever you like, but why the fuck do you care so much about about a letter the size of an ant on your passport?

Tha language used is so hyperbolic. Elan-Cane describes it as ‘the denial of existence’. It REALLY ISN’T! Gender is like ‘tea or coffee or neither?’ - it doesn’t matter! Bio sex is recorded for various reasons and cannot be changed.

But it does mean that there is now a clearly recognised need to look at he issue and to clarify the terms... which is what is needed...

Taken from the independent

Justice Baker said all departments will need to make a clear distinction between the concepts of sex and gender...

I don't see how, if it's possible to change the sex on a passport, it's not possible to have no sex at all. And if they mean gender as I understand it, why it's necessary to record at all.

Brilliant but she/he's appealing - this person obviously has really serious body dysphoria and changing a passport ID won't help in them feeling better - they have gone from a woman - man - X, with breasts and womb removed along the way. It seems to me like a classic case of someone trying to control others, to validate their reality of feeling out of control and out of step with others. A lot of displaced anger onto others ...I imagine.

Hooray! Another person here who doesn't understand why the passport office needs to know about some mystical nebulous inner essence (or your ambivalence/'neutrality') towards it.

Yeah - it’s not really that relevant (and as we can see, isn’t a reliable security check as it can be changed). I’d rather everyone had sexless passports.

I don't really see the point of having gender on passports at all, to be honest.

I just came on to say that, Radio news!

This might give different info, it was from before the decision!

www.aol.co.uk/news/2018/06/21/high-court-judge-to-rule-on-gender-neutral-passports-case/

Tfft!