Friday

Good news, Spontaneous.

Now - be careful out there!

Here and a happy bunny. Two strikes reduced to one after and appeal (refused) appealed again - accepted.

I've promised to try and behave, this is not an easy task after a lifetime of being a gobby cow but a promise is a promise.

Present, delurked and strike free, thus far.

Ah hello! I didn't see this. One strike.

I’m also trying to come out of lurk mode. It’s a sign of the times though that I feel nervous about signing up somewhere else. What if it’s all a front? I’ve composed the email and deleted it about 5 times now!

Oh still here and all lives remain, btw

Maybe that was mns secret plan all along Lang, and why they focus on it being possible to still make our points within the rules...?

I'm still here!

I notice that my comments are still clear but also that - by going the long way round - I have to be explicit in a way that may help any lurkers unsure of the issues.

Exactly! For anyone who is taking the effort to say what they want to say rather than capitulate and use the prescribed Orwellian terms, there is actually greater clarity. Because we're not using in-the-know lingo that may confuse observers: we're using clear descriptions of material reality that everyone can recognise.

Potential own goal?!

Hello. Agree about these these threads being a good resource. We used to have a resource thread which had stuff on like links to research and articles about sex and gender and so on. I wonder if it might be worth doing that again? Might help with arguments irl and letters to mps etc. Also a while back pencils and others started a wiki with lots of excellent stuff on it but I cant remember the title of it or the link

Still here, no strikes. The new rules are vague and inconsistent and outrageous but when I find myself writing around them I notice that my comments are still clear but also that - by going the long way round - I have to be explicit in a way that may help any lurkers unsure of the issues.

I’m still here. Just nipping in and out, while plasterboarding the new dog room, while wearing work dungarees and work boots. looks down to check if a penis has magically grown Nope! Still a WOMAN.

I’m here. Just want to say that some of the women I’ve managed to reach out to about the gender and sex issues in real life have basically shrugged their shoulders and not really engaged with the issue. Almost as if they can’t be bothered- most disheartening to see.

Fwiw, I'm still here. I have noticed fewer posts from regulars, but I have taken that as a bat signal to step up and respond to things myself. This board has been a real catalyst to so many women like myself, who thought we were alone and going slightly mad. It needs to keep going to the bitter end, imo, and I am very happy to be a voice that extends it's usefulness.

It's sad that the environment in which we're doing so has become so much more hostile, but getting the information out there is important enough to make the effort worth it.

I want to stay here and I want the conversation to keep happening here because I know how widely it is observed.

^ YY Lang that’s how I feel too.

I'm not particularly scared to say anything. I'll carry on saying what I want to say and if I get smitten, I get smitten. I'm still pissy at being funnelled into using sex-based collective terms for gender-based identities and I won't be doing that - but in the end, being forced to type stupid phrases to refer to a completely obvious group of people doesn't make me look silly: it makes the rules look silly.

I want to stay here and I want the conversation to keep happening here because I know how widely it is observed.

Morning all.

Ancient - the MNHQ clarification note of 19 June is clear that we can say either 'trans women' or 'transwomen'. Of course, there's no guarantee that they won't change their minds at some point.

Hi beupstanding missed you and the suitcase after the meeting!
I'm too shy to start threads, but for anyone interested there is a long read in the Guardian about patriarchy
www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jun/22/the-age-of-patriarchy-how-an-unfashionable-idea-became-a-rallying-cry-for-feminism-today

I'm fine! Just having a busy week at work.

Morning all. Still Here, seldom posting, planning on joining the Other Site too. I think you risk a slap on the wrist for missing out the space between trans and woman. Because that all-important space proves they are women, like you would write white women but not whitewomen. Or some such total bollocks.

Hi LittleLebowski. Reading and checking in is still important & useful, or at least that's what I tell myself.

Yay! You're still here AAK. Hadn't seen you about and was worried you'd been struck off.

I'm still reading and checking in, for all the good that does! Agree things seem a bit slower. I haven't had an email back from the other forum - I know they were v busy but I'm wondering if I should email again. The intern data incident and confusing speech rules have been very off-putting. Anyway, happy Friday!