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Handmaidens

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Terfulike · 21/06/2018 23:22

I seem to be coming across these people more and more in the last week or so. Admittedly the video I describe below is 8 months old.

However, there are definitely more numerous postings/videos from young females (of the traditional type) who are trying to educate us GC Radfems about being too exclusionary, if you catch my drift, as such types as us may be physically threatening... no examples given.

My reason for posting is that one just got my goat quite big time (clip clip clopping across the bridge of reason).

This young person of the type traditionally (although admittedly not currently) referred to as female, or even young woman, (though obviously not these days - I acknowledge that these are considered by most Britons to be archaic terms - please forgive my usage mn) was describing people of the type who post on this particular site who are a bit exclusionary wink wink catch my drift with great disdain.

Anyway said person said that the word "lesbian" is basically an "uncomfortable" word with "*exclusionary connotations" and is "just wierd". Hmmmmm what did someone say about erasure?

Moreover GC Radfems are said by said vlogerette to be in positions of great power and influence these days ready to turn the heads of gullible young feminists in completely inappropriate directions.

Further, said person claims any discussions of paralegal philandering (quick crossword clue) are utterly ridiculous!

This highly commended video ends with scoffing at ideas of the f body being at all relevant to feminism.

Apologies if this has been discused before.

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BertrandRussell · 21/06/2018 23:44

"I agree. It seems to be the go to insult used to describe a woman who doesn't agree with certain feminist opinions."
I honestly don't think it's that. A "handmaiden" is a woman who shows very specific behaviours- who colludes with men/misogyny/the patriarchy for her own advantage. I wouldn't call the woman in the video (didn't catch her name-fab green hair) a handmaiden.

DJLippy · 21/06/2018 23:43

Musing today and I thought the generational divide in feminism is often framed in certain terms.

Older feminists (or what is framed as older feminism) cast their younger liberal sisters as handmaidens - which to me conjurers images of a Harpie - the classic Other woman/mistress type. Definitely younger anyway. Think of the 'cool-girl' cookie references.

Meanwhile Liberal feminism casts the older feminists (whether or not they are actually older) - as the archetypal mother figure - ranging from un-cool sensible shooed mom - to the evil, wicked stepmother.

Why is this happening...It's very interesting...

Alaaya · 21/06/2018 23:42

BertrandRussell - I know it's not. But I tend to think that misogyny isn't OK, even if you don't agree with someone.

FloralBunting · 21/06/2018 23:42

I think the use of handmaiden as a pejorative in this instance is more about how willing certain women are to cede their rights and rights of others to receive approval from a particular group of people than it is about an honest difference of opinion.
I think pejoratives have limited usefulness, but when someone is determined to fuck over their natural allies to gain a social/cultural advantage, it's not going to elicit cooing, soothing noises of approval.

Terfulike · 21/06/2018 23:41

Anyway has anyone watched it ?

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Terfulike · 21/06/2018 23:40

My phone did predicted text there.
I meant to say "I may have been transed"

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MillyTheKid · 21/06/2018 23:36

I must say, I hate the word 'handmaiden'. It is so fucking misogynistic - like some poor little girl can't possibly have thought things through and come to a different conclusion - she must have been brainwashed by some man. It really bothers me.

I agree. It seems to be the go to insult used to describe a woman who doesn't agree with certain feminist opinions.

BertrandRussell · 21/06/2018 23:28

Handmaiden is not supposed to be a compliment, Alaaya!

Terfulike · 21/06/2018 23:28

Sorry
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TuesdayTogether · 21/06/2018 23:28

The two I came across were of the vulnerable type and despite university education, not the most intelligent of people in certain ways. They are the type to be taken advantage of in many situations.

Alaaya · 21/06/2018 23:26

I must say, I hate the word 'handmaiden'. It is so fucking misogynistic - like some poor little girl can't possibly have thought things through and come to a different conclusion - she must have been brainwashed by some man. It really bothers me.

DJLippy · 21/06/2018 23:25

Do you have a link for the video OP?

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