yogyakarta principles plus 10

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I got the impression from listening to Shiela Jeffries at the recent We need to Talk meeting (link above) that the YP principles were piggybacked onto, and hidden amongst, a great number of distinct LBG-related rights: while the LBG-related principles were timely and appropriate, as well as being considered genuinely good practice by most lesbians and GC women, the fact that the truly awful and unreasonable T-related issues were in the same document is apparently how it happened, basically all or nothing. A classic example of the problems that arise when the T arrived to join the LGB, after all, what on earth do they have in common, especially when one considers that the T is trying to erase the LG as well as women.

"How are they a blueprint for best practice? How have people conceded that ... it was a body with NO authority that drew it up, in a format that mimicked international agreements"

That's an highly disingenuous statement

"The finalised Yogyakarta Principles was launched as a global charter on 26 March 2007 at the United Nations Human Rights Council in Geneva." - Wikipedia

They haven't been accepted as UN treaty because of opposition from many states with negative attitudes to LGBTI people but they are still very much the best international standard there is.

Terfulike I agree... I only heard about them through A Woman's Place and they are seriously terrifying - the amount of thought and money and entitlement that went into them, drawing them up SO LONG AGO in preparation for what is happening for today

How are they a blueprint for best practice? How have people conceded that ... it was a body with NO authority that drew it up, in a format that mimicked international agreements

The YP are internationally important and I'm just surprised more fuss isn't made about them. "Wish list" doesn't do it justice more like "hit list" if you ask me with the words "biological female" and "sex" at the top, middle and bottom

The Yog Principles are nothing but a wish list.

But political bodies are using this as a blueprint of 'international best practice'. The Scottish consultation said this. Maria Miller's report said this. The Council of Europe said this.

The YP genuinely terrify me. Don't speak to me like I'm a child. And have a sense of humour. Have you seen some of the user names around here? Some are well pretentious.

Enough with the "terrifying" nonsense.

and change your silly username.

Terrifying they are, the YPs

The Yog Principles are nothing but a wish list.

If the 100,000 million girls on this planet without a secure, safe and self determined future had one tenth of those wishes granted what an amazing place this world world would be.

But hey, it's all about the men.

Very good point LaSqrrl
Even knowing how to go about getting the yp drawn up requires a high level of privilege. Even having the understanding to think to attempt to draw up such a document betrays immensely more privilege than I have ever seen, and I'm not exactly unprivileged!

I am still wondering how 'The Most Oppressed Group of People on the Planet™' can all afford to jet off to Yogyakarta Indonesia, to this summit - when many of the UK GC feminists cannot even afford train fare to travel two or three counties. Why is that?

And why do these 'The Most Oppressed Group of People on the Planet™' have so many billionaires and millionaires?

Perhaps the answer is to quit the European Convention on Human Rights! This is what the Government wants to do.

The European Court of Human Rights does not support self-id for change of legal sex. There was a case last year in which an individual in France wanted to change legal sex without a diagnosis of gender dysphoria and took the case to the European Court (Garcon v France). They found that there was no violation of human rights to require a diagnosis before change of legal sex.

Full details here: A.P., Garçon and Nicot v. France

As I understand it, the Council of Europe is an advisory body only, so can make pronouncements, but nobody has to do what they say.

Perhaps the answer is to quit the European Convention on Human Rights! This is what the Government wants to do.

When you realise how this is being imposed from on high, David Icke doesn't sound quite so "out there"! He is gender critical, naturally...blurring lines is destabilising. Making children think that they can choose their gender removes a fundamental reality in their lives and makes everything else uncertain.

We can't even escape this...the Council of Europe is not connected to the EU, it was formed after WW2.

*FeckTheMagicDragon

Truth seeking mechanism? Water boarding?*

Nah, just did the person saying it have a penis? yes = true no = shut up bitch

Truth seeking mechanism? Water boarding?

All the European countries seem to have signed on to the idea of eliminating all sex protections for women.
I suppose that is why the EA repealed all other laws that provided for women's rights.

Also Shiela Jeffries analysed the importance of YP in the recent meeting

We Need to Talk meeting in London.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdQuYMjaqHY

I'm sure Theresa May also mentioned the Yogyakarta Principles as being 'best practice' in her speech last October about this dangerous change.

The more I think about this, the more I realise that you have to be seriously privileged to buy into this gender bullshit.

Meanwhile, Oxfam are recommending that female toilets to be geographically separated from male ones in refugee camps to prevent males from raping females on toilet trips.

The penis is a male organ and can be used as a rape weapon to put females at risk of pregnancy, STIs, and physical and mental injury. Gender identity has nothing to do with this.

Good spot, I didn't notice that when I first read.

Thanks!

Previous thread on Yogyakarta
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3228002-Yogyakarta-principles