Trans murder rates

Excellent. You'll appreciate the fabulous regulars getting on with discussing that then.

I totally agree that the stats on both side of this argument are often weponised for effect and that they are often misleading and used to. Make points rather than addressing the issues. I fully. Support. You in that I wish people would not use it and there should not be a race to victim Hood by people. I think. We can agree on that and that the plite of all woman worldwide needs far. Greater focus and the issues that we face.

It's hardly a 'quibble' to address the inflated and misapplied stats that Transactivism uses to shore up its USP of *most oppressed people on the planet.

I have never seen anyone GC on this board say that the murder of any human being for any reason is acceptable or justified. No one wants trans people to be murdered. Not literally, not figuratively-literally, not at all.

Yes, one is too many, and I understand why a trans person being murdered would have a significant impact on a trans community. But I'm afraid it is the weaoponization of stats, which often turn out to be pure fiction in the first place, that obscure the impact on the rest of us and the creation of a false 'hierarchy' of victimhood in which women, yet again, are at the bottom of the pile is precisely why 'quibble' in this instance extremely dismissive and missing-of-the-point.

I find the reliance of statistics in this unimportant to the point the numbers don't matter what matters is that people are specificly murdered for being trans around the world that is the point. They are also routinely murdered for being. Gay and lesbian too but we don't go around arguing the numbers to know. That it is wrong. We are also arrased and physically assaulted for being trans and when that as happened to you then the numbers sort of don't matter one is too many. Woman are murdered around the world routinely for simply being woman all. Of this is statisticly usually carried out by men and it is this toxic masculinity that is the issue and we are all casualtys of it.

But we can continue to quibble over the numbers or we can maybe address the issues

I didn't "question bomb", I dropped in to suggest how you could make your statistical comparison meaningful. Well, it wasn't my statistical comparison and you did make your point twice, in quick succession, then said you were too busy to continue engaging!

I wasn't being aggressive, just a tad frustrated that you would care so little to engage with a question you posed twice - and you are right, it wasn't a question, it was more of a dismissive sneer, a bit of a derail.

So maybe we shall both be long awaiting an apology

transcrimeuk.com/2017/11/16/theres-no-evidence-trans-people-are-murdered-at-higher-rates-than-the-general-population-in-the-uk/

in almost every case where someone has been charged / convicted, the murderer was a man

Or another trans. Remember the HR lawyer in the UK pushed under a train?

In Australia a couple of years ago, there was one murder in QLD (described as transwoman, but exactly I am not sure), murdered by live-in boyfriend (both worked for gay prostitution, where they met, although I think stopped when they went to QLD). It involved cannibalism too.

What's clear is that the presentation of the statistics of the murders of trans people is so badly misrepresented by trans activists as to bear no relation whatsoever with reality.

Many of the statistics in this area undergo similar misrepresentations at the hands of trans activists.

For me, one of the key things about the various lists of transmen and transwomen who have been murdered (such as this from Wikipedia) is that in almost every case where someone has been charged / convicted, the murderer was a man. Not a TERF, a man.

So tell me again who is putting trans people at risk?

So... you question bombed and ran!! Not nice and lazy to boot!

But, as usual, MNers have done the maths... and made your twice asked question redundant!

Why are you being so aggressive? I didn't "question bomb", I dropped in to suggest how you could make your statistical comparison meaningful. It's what I do for a living. I didn't have time to do the maths for you and I didn't have any preconception as to what the result would be, but I had time to say what would make your stats relevant.

And as for "MNers" doing the maths, I don't know who you think I am if not an MNer, of quite longstanding, as you could find out yourself if you were interested. And if you have a little look on this thread you'll see I at no point asked a question.

Total wrong end of the stick you got a hold of there. I don't expect an apology.

It’s statistically safer to be a transwoman than a woman, when you work out the percentage change of each being killed a year. So even with the small percentage of the population (and going off the genuine stats not the stonewall hey everyone is trans! Stats) it’s safer to be a transwoman than a woman.

Obviously, every death is a tragedy. A transwoman killed for being a transwoman should be prosecuted as a hate crime. A woman killed for being a woman should be prosecuted as a hate crime as well.

As for Latin America - huge culture of machismo, massive femicide rate. Look up the killings of young women in ciudad Juarez if you’ve got the stomach for it. Large sex worker population and high violence levels. Inefficient law enforcement. Together it’s a toxic mix - for everyone frankly but I’d imagine especially so for anyone living on the fringes.

Which is good news if you are trans

In other words trans folk are murdered at a lower rate than both men and women in the uk.

(If the 0.3% figure of the population of the UK is trans is preferred, that gives a figure of 5.5 1.67 trans people per million per year.)

We're often told that 1% of the population of the UK is trans.

That would be 600,000 people, and if 1 trans person is murdered per year, that's 1.67 trans people per million per year. (If the 0.3% figure of the population of the UK is trans is preferred, that gives a figure of 5.5 1.67 trans people per million per year.)

The most recent ONS figures for the UK for the general population are:

There were 12 offences of homicide per million population in the year ending March 2017 (10 homicides per million population excluding Hillsborough victims).

Excluding Hillsborough victims, the homicide rate for males (15 per million population) was more than twice that for females (6 per million population).

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2017

I was just making the suggestion Curious, nothing more, nothing less. I don't have time right now, I'm doing other, more complicated sums! (It's my job.) So... you question bombed and ran!! Not nice and lazy to boot!

But, as usual, MNers have done the maths... and made your twice asked question redundant!

Rat by way of a clue - in order to have a higher murder rate than the rest of the population they must represent less than 0.2% of the population...

So tell us how many trans people there are in Brazil, Rat Then we can all make sense of the stats

I was just making the suggestion Curious, nothing more, nothing less. I don't have time right now, I'm doing other, more complicated sums! (It's my job.)

Sorry, 15% ish in Rio and about 9% across the rest of Brazil!

So tell us how many trans people there are in Brazil, Rat Then we can all make sense of the stats

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_people_in_Brazil

www.rioonwatch.org/?p=37249

15% ish LGBT people in Brazil.

1 LGBT person murdered per day... and how many women?

I'll let you finish the math, including realising that not all LGBT people are trans!

I don't think the murder epidemic of trans people exists here, no. I do not deny that trans people face discrimination- I think they do and I think that life for a 'non-passing' trans person is no doubt pretty miserable. But statistically, I cannot see how they are any more likely than anyone else to be murdered and I think bar one or two, the murders that have taken place were not by intimate partners (which obviously is a risk for women).

So while the trans murders in Brazil are despicable they represent less than 0.2% of murders taking place in Brazil.

It's probably less important what percentage of total murders it represents than what percentage of the trans population is murdered.

Does anyone know what the murder rates in those countries is for female sex workers of colour?

10-15 women in Brazil are murdered per day. Per day.

I think you have to look at the number of murders in relation to the number of trans people as a whole don't you.

If there were 10 million trans people and 10 murders that's not as big a problem as if there were 10 murders out of only 100 trans people.