Penny Mordaunt has made her position at Women & Equalities Committee

Yes I'd heard that in the US they often start at 8-9, and transactivists want that here.

well done picasso

What's the point of puberty blockers at age 16? There's not much left to block, is there?

Exactly. Most young people will have pretty much gone through it by then. I thought you had to do it about 11ish?

8! 8? that is a disgrace

Is she just really uninformed?

I couldn't copy and paste because of the format in which the document was sent to me. So unfortunately I missed that 18 in a paragraph full of 16s.
I thought her comments on the GGA policy was completely different from what I have read on other threads. I wonder if she is unaware of the current discussion around that?

OMG - sorry there is a typo:
Surgery is not offered to under 18s. NOT 16s.
She also says that the government expects private doctors to adhere to the same standards as NHS doctors.

PM just needs educating like the rest of us wimminz. (She just needs a different education, not the shut up and sit down TRA's advocate for us).

Sorry bold fail. Was quoting endoftheline’s post above.

’WRT puberty blockers and hormone therapy [Mordaunt] says that these will only be offered to over 16s (rarely offered to under 16s) and only after careful diagnosis and following protocol. These are fully reversable. surgery is not offered to under 16s’

• not true that they are reversible and that’s absolutely appalling that hormones or blockers are given to under 16s EVER, let alone ‘rarely’. We don’t know what the effects are on kids long term.
• surgery IS offered to 16, 17, years olds then, does that mean? Good grief. I thought you had to be 18 at least in the UK?

This is terrible. 16 is way, way, way too young for anything surgical. 18 absolute minimum.

Doctors would (rightly) never give a vasectomy to a 16 year old lad when asked for one (which is in any case potentially partly recoverable via further surgery )
They would (rightly) also shoo away a 16 year old girl requesting a permanently sterilising operation.
What on earth are we doing here? How has this been legimisied. It is scandalous.

She was not there, I just let the room know what the Minister for Women and Equalities thinks of women.

Well guys, I stood up today at the launch of the alleged review of the Equalities Act and shouted my disgust at Penny calling women bigoted.

I think the fact that puberty blockers are used off-licence should be of massive concern to the NHS.

Surely that needs to be assessed? In terms of safety and legal culpability.

WRT puberty blockers and hormone therapy she says that these will only be offered to over 16s (rarely offered to under 16s) and only after careful diagnosis and following protocol. These are fully reversable.

Lies. Puberty blockers rarely offered under 16? Not reversible either, and the effects are largely unknown but what we do know says they certainly are not harmless.

And I thought you had to be 18 for cross sex hormones. If puberty is blocked though, given we don't know how much brain development is blocked along with it, we could potentially be allowing 10 year olds to decide to go onto cross sex hormones.

Has anyone seen the consultation done with LBGT community. Was it a questionnaire or asking for submissions?

Where is the solidarity for women, children, for young lesbians who are not being allowed to grow into themselves, for girls who are being pressured into unwanted sexual activity, for girls who are being pressured into dangerous medical "treatments", for girls whose mental health is being neglected, for the women in refuges and rape crisis support groups, for women in sport, in any segregated space, in healthcare, in politics, for the women who want to speak out about the abuses being perpetrated ? Where is the solidarity for those in real need of it ?

Strange isn't it? Almost as if there was some kind of all encompassing system in place that exists to prevent females from having an equal say in what is considered fair and reasonable.

The problem is that institutions are not balancing rights and that the EHRC guidelines on “case by case” application have neatly sidestepped the massive body of case law on objective justification for indirect discrimination which is also a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.

The EHRC guidelines are suspect IMO and if that is resolved then we are much further towards achieving a balance of rights

Spot on.

I will never show solidarity for those who beat up men and are sentenced for it; I'm not a bigot for thinking such thoughts.

I will never show solidarity for those who beat up women and are sentenced for it; I'm not a bigot for thinking such thoughts.

"we need to show solidarity with the trans community"

Where is the solidarity for women, children, for young lesbians who are not being allowed to grow into themselves, for girls who are being pressured into unwanted sexual activity, for girls who are being pressured into dangerous medical "treatments", for girls whose mental health is being neglected, for the women in refuges and rape crisis support groups, for women in sport, in any segregated space, in healthcare, in politics, for the women who want to speak out about the abuses being perpetrated ? Where is the solidarity for those in real need of it ?