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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lurker Delurking to seek support

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KaiserThiefs · 19/06/2018 10:04

Loong time reader of this board but I've never really posted because of all the other eloquent posters that say it all so much better than me.

I just wanted to let you know that what you're doing matters, it really matters to me and all the others like me and I also wanted a little hand hold because my son's school have sent home a letter about an upcoming residential trip where they've stated that:

'there will be no mixed genders in any room'

I've written to them [wibble] to get clarification if the accommodation will be sex segregated as this is a provision that's protected in the Equality Act.

I want you all to know that your voices give our actions strength and let us know that it's not bigotry to ask for adequate safeguarding.

It's not phobic to protect our children's dignity and it's okay to say no because it makes me feel uncomfortable.

There doesn't need to be a better reason, our rights are protected and it's not an act of hate to want to protect them.

(if they write back and challenge me though I know I'm going to apologise and run away, I have been socialised to the nth degree!)

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OldCrone · 19/06/2018 10:31

As Ekphrasis says, they have probably used 'gender' as a polite way of saying 'sex'. But from what I read on here, there are an awful lot of 'trans children' in schools now, so they may have used it deliberately to enable the those children to share accommodation according to their 'gender'.

From your son's point of view, it's unlikely to be a problem if this is the case, as girls who identify as boys tend to be happy to go in with the girls. Parents of girls at the school may be happy you have raised this.

Well done on sticking your neck out in real life.

Elletorro · 19/06/2018 10:29

I spoke to my kids teacher about the consultation: she sent me to the deputy head.

I followed up with drafting a suggested response for the (single sex) school to the Scottish consultation.

A couple of months ago I asked to review their Equality and Diversity policy: pointed out the holes and sent them transgender trend’s school pack.

2 weeks ago I went to A Woman’s Place and guess who was there?

My kids teacher and the safeguarding lead for the school. I introduced them to Lisa Muggeridge.

So don’t be scared. You might be pushing at an open door. And what’s the worst that could happen? They might think you are a bit of a Mary Whitehouse.

MsMcWoodle · 19/06/2018 10:28

You're doing brilliantly. Well done.

Dragoncake · 19/06/2018 10:27

Good for you. Clarity in safeguarding is so important. The wording isn't clear, given recent trends to conflate sex and gender. It's reasonable to ask for clarification so that you are full informed. And courageous!

LighthouseSouth · 19/06/2018 10:27

good for you OP

i would be prepared for confusion though, as one possibility is that whoever replies is thinking of "gender" as "sex" - depending on whether they've had to face these issues before.

KaiserThiefs · 19/06/2018 10:25

Thank you you lovely lot!

I'll definitely come back and I'm sure they've just worded it politely (heaven forbid we ever mention the word sex in polite society!). It used to be that we could use these two words interchangeably and everyone knew we meant the same thing but in times where the entire meaning of the descriptor of 51% of the population has been changed (to what now we can never be sure or voice without censorship). Words matter.

By conflating gender with sex they're helping to open the door to confusion that allows bad people to abuse and sometimes all it takes is making someone stop and think.

I'm sure the majority of people out there don't want to upset or offend anyone dysphoric but it's not helpful to anyone to remove single sex services.

Do you know, this is why I lurk..it all sounds so much more...coherent in my head!

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LaSqrrl · 19/06/2018 10:21

Good for you Kaiser, for standing up.

LangCleg · 19/06/2018 10:19

Well done and welcome from the delurk, OP. We all know it's incredibly hard to stick your head above the parapet. You are brave.

heresyandwitchcraft · 19/06/2018 10:17

Excellent! Thank you for your courage! Smile

NeverLovedElvis · 19/06/2018 10:14

Well done. Will you come back and let us know how they respond?

Norther · 19/06/2018 10:13

Well done! Am myself drafting letter at moment to school about dreadful wording of their equality policy. Am also long time lurker come into the light.

Ekphrasis · 19/06/2018 10:10

I think they're basically saying the boys and girls will be definitely separate- I bet my bottom dollar they've just mistaken gender to mean sex. But well done for asking to clarify it.

Gender is a trendy word these days to use instead of sex (no sex pls we're British).

BarrackerBarmer · 19/06/2018 10:09

Well done - that is really brave, and there will be other parents who will be very glad you have asked the question.

And this is where conflation of 'sex' and 'gender' is really insidious.

What we SHOULD have in segregated sleeping arrangements is
one sex: mixed 'genders'
NOT
mixed sex: one 'gender'

Separate the bodies, not the mind types you imagine those bodies are housing.

Bravo on your courage

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