What is wrong with this picture?

I can’t see many men ever wanting to do this, even if it was possible. The risk of tearing up to their ball bag during labour would sending them running for the hills

I think far more likely, would be to pay some poor woman to carry the baby, whilst the man wears a fake bump, complains about his back ache etc for 9 months for the attention, and then, once the labour starts, he has some kind of right to be in the delivery room, and he will later explain to people how traumatic HIS Labour was.

I'm an occasional lurker over here and don't feel I know enough about feminism to really get involved with the discussions but that Twitter linked article about the fertility 'expert' saying trans women could give birth tomorrow has just left me astounded. As if it would be as simple as shoving in a womb and performing a c section. Sweet Jesus!

Greer had it on the nail when she described how Bruce Jenners transition was about attention - he saw his stepdaughters getting attention for being women, and he wanted it.

I used to socialise with someone who was AGP (which I didn’t know about at the time)

He liked to set up casual dates and actively seek casual sex in which he presented himself as a “sissy slut”

Fair enough, each to their own sexual tastes.

But he’d then demand sympathy for being some victim who was “objectified by men”.

What he wanted wasnt sex, but the “attention” that he deluded himself all these teenage girls get.

Same with the “pregnancy” - if these guys weren’t transitioning, they’d be the husbands who’d be jealous of all the nurses and midwives looking after their pregnant wives, or who’d cry and pretend they needed support and cuddles and painkillers when their wives were in the middle of a brutal labour.

Babies would have to be born at 6 months' gestation or the carrier would suffocate from collapsed lungs.

They can't. They hate that so bad.

@Pratchet, in that article, two sentences stood out: "As for wombs, they're not absolutely necessary. " and "Nor is the womb anything special".

That says it all really. I think they can't deal with the fact that women can do something amazing with their bodies, and men can't.

Ass babies 🤣🤣🤣

There are so many things wrong with that picture that I don't know where to start!

Deluded, and biologically impossible, bit like the whole movement really!.

AGP = willy pointing the wrong way

JFC, if I were in any doubt about the misogyny of this, I certainly wouldn't be now. This movement's aims are not only to erase us but replace us and that is horrifying.

But it hadn't really hit home that they are suggesting criminalising detransition.

I never took the 'declaration for life' seriously. It's so meaningless. I assumed that penalties for detransition would be minimal and ignored, and eventually dropped. They're only there to try to convince us that it's a meaningful process.

People are easily convinced by pictorial representations of impossible things. Angels, for instance. Angel wings would be impossible on a human form, and could never sustain flight. In fact they look ridiculous. Yet people accept them, and many believe in angels.

These babies will be IVF babies, right? Because they are only talking womb transplants, no one is thinking there will also be room for some secondhand ovaries/Fallopian tubes etc?

Because someone really should warn them about the risk of multiples with IVF - shitting one baby through a 5ft bowel would be bad enough. Imagine two or three?

Isn't that part of the argument, Pratchet? They have said that anyone who self IDs will be certain sure about it because there are penalties for detransitioning.
I would prefer that children and adults be able to detransition without punishment.

Bewilderness: that brings it home. Illegal to detransition. .

www.lupronvictimshub.com/

Detransitioning would be a violation of the law as I understand the regulations governing transitioning and Self ID. They would be prosecuted for fraud.

I can see it now, a de-transitioner going to court to get her womb back.

Seriously though, just where do they think they’re getting all these wombs from That’s all I ever think about when I hear that womb transplants are going to happen. Where are you getting the womb from?

Some of the teen girls who transition are volunteering to donate them.

Seriously though, just where do they think they’re getting all these wombs from
That’s all I ever think about when I hear that womb transplants are going to happen.
Where are you getting the womb from?
I feel like I’m the ‘savage’ pulled out of the jungle in brave new world

Womb transplants for women are still highly experimental. Men’s bodies are just not able to do this, whatever their gender presentation, legal certification etc.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-44360786

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5805569/Womb-transplants-three-British-women-hope-getting-pregnant.html

wombtransplantuk.org/the-uk-womb-transplant-research-team-to-expand-research-programme

According to one of the medics in the conversation, as the baby grew, it would break a male pelvis.

Bloody hell, that brings it home.

According to pratchetts link 'obsession' upthread, some men are thinking about 'abdominal pregnancy', a rare phenomenon in women where the egg implants and develops outside the womb. But it 'kills 10 percent of the women who experience it and 70 percent of their babies.'.
Can't see that getting past an ethics committee.