Very basic, obvious examples of male privilege please?

Taking the dog for a walk in the park at 11 at night

Going for a run or just a walk in broad daylight on a park or common when no one is around

Not having to pretend to be grateful when a man is needed for strength and therefore decides he is also needed to explain the whole f'ing job to you because if you say 'yes i know' he'll just say ok carry your own marble block

Knowing that it's more likely a copper will take his side than yours

Not a 'nice guy'. You have a Nice Guy. It's different. Basically nice guys are just those guys that are nice. Plenty of them!

Yours is a Nice Guy. A man who 'just wants to understand' and is 'in favour of equal rights'. Some of them even call themselves feminists. But if they want sex, or to be right or for you to tell them how great they are, their behaviour changes. Same ones that talk about the friend zone. And how Nice Guys finish last.

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He was a Nice Guy. You need to train yourself to spot them!

Men wouldnt get felt up by their fathers friends as 'a joke' when 13yo.

Men wouldnt get routinely sexually harrassed at work and, at the time, see it as a normal 'rite of passage' so as to be taken under the males wing and taught everything in the job to get ahead.

Men wouldn't get told by their boss, and good friend, not to wear their hair down to a business meeting because 'its too sexy, and distracting'.

Men wouldnt be ignored by clients around a boardroom table, instead deferring to their more junior male colleagues. What a surprise the clients got when it came time to negotiate and said junior colleagues turned to me to say 'she's the boss'.

Men wouldn't get told whilst sitting with industry colleagues after an event (all of us director level and above and above) that 'you're brilliant but we'd never hire you at your age now 'cos you're just going to go off and have babies soon. Ha ha'

Men wouldnt be fired from their VP job within 2 days of announcing their pregancy with no performance issues, ever, quite the opposite in fact.

I could go on and on sadly. Haven't even touched on the daily life 'niggles'.

Men get taken seriously more often, in almost every situation. From health care to police reporting to general converation

Man asks company for an adjustment in his times ie leaves 20/30 mins early so he can catch an earlier train he makes this up by coming earlier by 20/30 mins woman asks for hours to be adjusted due to a childcare conflict gets told no now it was asking for the exact same arrangements as the man but she is told to make other arrangements for childcare she is now job hunting

If a yr 1 teacher does 'what do you want to be when you grow up' , she won't bluntly tell a boy who says he wants to be a builder that boys can't be builders.

until writing "Carol [a worker on the site] is a fat slapper" on the lift hoardings and drawing sexual images on temporary surfaces stops on the site floor, women are going to leave or not join up

Was it @Pratchet who said that the biggest positive discrimination men get is not being sexually harassed and assaulted? I'd certainly say it's a huge aspect of male privilege.

Women aren't going into construction as it's not really presented to them as a viable career option at a young age, which is a shame.

Younger men / teenagers quite often start as apprentices and many follow in their father's footsteps.

Construction is very much seen as a 'male' industry.

Yes to children's book having more male characters, the Gruffalo for example has all male characters. The Gingerbread Man is the baker, his wife .. when she is quite clearly also a baker.
One Fish, Two Fish has a page about combs for little girls but not boys.

I change ' he' to 'she' all time when reading stories.

No-one would tell a man not to be too clever or too successful in case it puts women off.

Meanwhile back on topic (which is that we, a group of women, wanted to talk about male privilege...) Yet another form of male privilege is the unassailable belief that you can muscle in on women's conversations, interrupt everything they were talking about and make it all about you.

This is a myth, as seen by the link I posted the Construction Industry is desperate to employ more females.

The management might be, but until writing "Carol [a worker on the site] is a fat slapper" on the lift hoardings and drawing sexual images on temporary surfaces stops on the site floor, women are going to leave or not join up in the first place. Even my male colleagues were unhappy at what they saw.

A better question is, why are more women getting construction qualifications but it’s not translating into the same numbers of women employed in the industry

Do you have a link for that please?

“You're argument against mine is invalid if you can't explain why 10% of the construction trade is female.”

She doesn’t need to, the industry does loads of research and it’s all available on google... I’ll give you a hint though, it’s never choice.

A better question is, why are more women getting construction qualifications but it’s not translating into the same numbers of women employed in the industry?

Men are not being forced into choosing these riskier jobs. No one is out there herding men into construction. It is precisely that, their choice. As others have eloquently stated, the toxic male attitudes are more likely what is responsible for women choosing not to get into construction

This is a myth, as seen by the link I posted the Construction Industry is desperate to employ more females.

Ultimately, you have achieved what you clearly wanted here. You have derailed a thread discussing male privilege and made it about what you wanted to discuss

I came in at page 8. I apologise, I'll let you go back to what you were doing.

Your argument is invalid until you provide
a) the sources for all stats you are posting
b) the reason why men are not able to choose the less risky jobs that are available to them

Construction Link and HSSE link already posted.

Men are able to chose what job they do, from hairdressing to making aircraft carriers.

You're argument against mine is invalid if you can't explain why 10% of the construction trade is female.

Mainly because women choose not to do the riskier jobs. It's a female privilege.

Men are not being forced into choosing these riskier jobs. No one is out there herding men into construction. It is precisely that, their choice. As others have eloquently stated, the toxic male attitudes are more likely what is responsible for women choosing not to get into construction.

Ultimately, you have achieved what you clearly wanted here. You have derailed a thread discussing male privilege and made it about what you wanted to discuss. A perfect example of male privilege in action. Slow handclap.

More food ones.

I like rare steak. On ordering rare steak I have had raised eyebrows, been asked if I'm sure I want it rare, had the waiter repeat back to me "er...medium rare?", been given my steak and been told they can take it back and cook it a little longer if I like. My husband has none of this questioning and doubt when placing his order. Because men are meant to like bloody meat. I assume women's delicate constitutions are supposed to be unable to manage it.

Also, I have in the past been treated like some source of fascination for ordering a pint of real ale, or if I order a pint for myself and a soft drink for my husband every time the pint will be put in front of him and the soft drink in front of me. Fortunately with real ale and craft beer becoming more fashionable this is becoming less frequent.

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Your argument is invalid until you provide
a) the sources for all stats you are posting
b) the reason why men are not able to choose the less risky jobs that are available to them.

The second point is weird because your argument appears to be purely "women are making safer choices". Men are free to choose less risky jobs, cleaning for example, or teaching, or driving, or gardening, or literally any other choice. The fact that they are not is not an example of anyones privilege.
You are aware that they are not FORCED into that trade, right?

Implying that all men are blyth [sic] about safety precautions and using machinary [sic] whilst on drugs

I literally saw them. With my girly eyes.

Those construction jobs are paid at vastly higher rates than care work and retail, which equivalent women do. Is that female privilege too

Many men do those jobs too.

Things aren’t changing

Of course they are.

Mainly because women choose not to do the riskier jobs. It's a female privilege.

Those construction jobs are paid at vastly higher rates than care work and retail, which equivalent women do. Is that female privilege too?