Very basic, obvious examples of male privilege please?

Not having to guard your drink in case you get roofied.

Being believed there is something physically wrong with you if you go to the doctor with some complex symptoms, rather than being told you are anxious or have an eating disorder.

That list btw is not exhaustive, it was just what I could remember from my own experiences of work.

"95% of all work place deaths are male because many of said males DON’T FOLLOW THE SAFETY PROCEDURES!!!"

Here's a list of reasons why a worker might violate a safety protocol and not be to blame:

• they were set a task for which they were not trained and don't know they need to be trained for. e.g. not realising that you should have working at heights training to use an indoor scaffold platform in a high-ceilinged room.
• being threatened with dismissal for refusing to use unsafe equipment or refusing to work without safety measures in place.
• being misled by management as to what proper protocol is.
• being misled by peers as to what proper protocol is and management not spotting that and sorting it.
• removal of warning signs, e.g. taking the mandatory signage next to abrasive wheels down whilst the workshop wall is repainted and not putting it up again.
• management putting a faciliy into commission without all safety measures in place, like the stunning example I saw once where some labs using hydrofluoric acid had been brought into service but the red emergency telephones weren't yet cabled into the phone system.

All of these things are examples of where a worker would be working without proper safety protocols in place, all of them are not the fault of the worker but of their (mostly male) management.

By twisting Pratchet's words, you have accused her of an allegation that she never made.

@fmsfms I'm curious. Do you think I'm lying about the alcohol and drug use on worksites? Or is it that you think I'm generalizing that men are to blame for their own deaths?

Because if it's the second, let me clarify. I think addiction is a tragedy and I would put much more money and time into helping people with it. I think foremen on sites should turn away workers under the influence and I do blame them for allowing clearly intoxicated men to work. I do blame the culture of masculinity that tells men that drinking and risky behaviour are manly. I do blame the culture of money that forces this situation. But do I blame the poor bugger who falls off scaffolding because he's high? No. That's terrible.

OK, someone else gave that as an example, and you dont hear us saying NAWLLTM because ditto.

Discussions using class are the standard on this forum, learn how to join in.
Go and google 'health and safety horror stories'' and ask yourself why so many men put profit before worker safety that we actually have to legislate for what should be human decency or common sense.

Are you feeling ok? Sorry but I haven't said anything to justify that

@upstartcrow "You gave women living longer than men as an example of female privilege.
No one said 'not all women live longer than men''. Because we understand the use of class."

You've got me confused with someone else, try again

"you blamed me for burning the dinner"

"No I didn't"

"Yes you did, you said I never read the instructions and left it in the oven for too long"

"That is not the same as blaming you"

@pratchet logic

fmsfms Sat 23-Jun-18 12:52:18
"Implying that all men...
No, it isn't implied or stated. That's just your biais.

You gave women living longer than men as an example of female privilege.
No one said 'not all women live longer than men''. Because we understand the use of class.

"I was addressing the ridiculous claim that it is mens fault that they die whilst doing dangerous jobs."

"That hasn't been done. Screenshot please."

"95% of all work place deaths are male because many of said males DON’T FOLLOW THE SAFETY PROCEDURES!!! "

Instead of changing the subject why don't you explain why how claiming that 95% of workplace deaths being male is because men don't follow "safety procedures" isn't the same as claiming it's "mens faults"

Just admit you were wrong, or keep doubling down on your mistake. Either is fine with me

If we are talking about burden of proof, how about proving that male-bodied people don't pose a threat in female spaces?

Abandoning the soapbox when unable to justify the twisting of a feminist's words is a familiar tactic of some transadvocates.

It's the flounce in another guise

I'm going to keep repeating this because the burden of proof is not on me.

"I was addressing the ridiculous claim that it is mens fault that they die whilst doing dangerous jobs."

"That hasn't been done. Screenshot please."

"95% of all work place deaths are male because many of said males DON’T FOLLOW THE SAFETY PROCEDURES!!! "

""In North America, where these stats often come from, construction workers use drugs and alcohol at an alarming rate. I worked in a homeless shelter, used as cheap accommodation for migrant construction workers, who would get good and fucking high on meth all night then go to work. ""

But what you've said doesn't contradict the post? Repeating it doesn't make it true HTH

"I was addressing the ridiculous claim that it is mens fault that they die whilst doing dangerous jobs."

"That hasn't been done. Screenshot please."

"95% of all work place deaths are male because many of said males DON’T FOLLOW THE SAFETY PROCEDURES!!! "

""In North America, where these stats often come from, construction workers use drugs and alcohol at an alarming rate. I worked in a homeless shelter, used as cheap accommodation for migrant construction workers, who would get good and fucking high on meth all night then go to work. ""

I'm going to keep repeating this because the burden of proof is not on me. You are the one that claims nobody has stated it's mens fault that they die on the workplace, despite two posts obviously blaming men for not following HSE and taking drugs

Abandoning the soapbox when unable to justify the twisting of a feminist's words is a familiar tactic of some transadvocates.

It's so true.

We see it time and time and time and time again.

Can you not see how you are wrong?

@pratchet whatever helps you sleep at night

Abandoning the soapbox when unable to justify the twisting of a feminist's words is a familiar tactic of some transadvocates.

@fmsfms I understood perfectly and my analysis of why men in male-dominated workplaces die more often of work-related accidents is in my immediately prior post.

Because male privileges mean that they are used to doing as they damn well please and others cannot tell them what to do. Even when it is “Don’t smoke near the gas leaks”

Management failure to consider this kind of endemic male risk culture and counter it by building a safety culture are part of socio-economic oppression. I speak from experience when I say that it is very hard to be the one person in a team (the rest if who were male, surprise surprise) who refuses to prop a "keep shut" fire door open when moving large equipment around. It's also hard to be the one person who will stand up to an area manager (male, surprise surprise) who decides to store a flatpack display unit by leaning it against the bakery fire extinguisher that is there to protect the bakers' lives if the oven catches fire.

When management are doing dangerous things and are not backing workers who call out dangerous things, workers will do dangerous things.

Running away because you can't? Really?

I can't believe you need an explanation of the above posts.

Got better things to do then explain simple and obvious things to an ideologue!