Very basic, obvious examples of male privilege please?

lol seriously someone asks a question and if another person posts a answer you dont agree with you get hostile, im sorry but that was uncalled for, you couldve said no you're wrong on this, this and this, heres what actually happens and I wouldve happily listened but no i basically get told to leave because I posted that in my experience some things that were said i believe were false

honestly if you want people to listen and get interested in subjects related to womens rights what you just did was a shitty way to go about it

Ok. Well, there we are.

dont feminists fight for lbgt rights too, that involves men doesnt it? anyways I was never suggesting feminists should fight for mens rights too, I was just saying i dont believe male privilage is a thing, men have some benefits within certain parts of their life as do women in others thats all i said and that life would be better if men and women could work together to fix the problems, i cant see how i offended people, maybe what i said some may not agree with but its not offensive, at least i hope not

when did i once say i was trying to tell you what to do? i was only having a discussion, im sure feminists dont see eye to eye on certain subjects what makes it any different with me? I have a penis between my legs but it doesnt make my say any less valid whether im right or wrong, thats the whole reason you have a discussion to talk through differences, find common ground and expand your knowledge

If you went to a forum for mens rights and had your say I mightnt agree with you but I certainly wouldnt think you should leave, and what you say about me only caring about womens rights only because its taking attention away from mens rights thats completely false, I have a girlfriend, a sister and a mother who i care for, and I could have a daughter who knows, why would i not care about the education they're getting or the money they make or not wanting them to be protected in the home or streets, men arent all evil or sexist pigs, a lot are dont get me wrong but theres a lot more men that find those types of men disgusting as they would any human being that would hit another person or make any sexual remark

I'll admit i came here out of curiosity just to learn what male privilage actually meant but when i read some comments I thought i'd give my thoughts, I am not trying to be a troll or take away from womans problems, I just thought i'd join in the conversation and give my two cents. I dont know what i did to offend you I was trying to be polite but im sorry, we may have got off on the wrong foot but im not here to cause trouble just wanted to have a look and respond :/

isn't feminism supposed to be fighting to make society equal for all

Sorry no. How do you make abortion 'equal'? Or FGM. Or rape? What feminists do is fight for women's rights.

I also work in homelessness, mental health, offending and addiction, almost exclusively with men. No one, literally no one, has ever asked me why I work with men.

Men are only interested in women's rights when they take attention away from men's rights. Please don't tell women how to do feminism. Please go find a group that can help you. A Call To Men UK is on Twitter. Try them.

Men hurt women with impunity - how much greater a demonstration of male privilege is necessary. This is one state in Australia.

I dont see why men cant fight for womens rights and women cant fight for men, isnt feminism supposed to be fighting to make society equal for all, I do support campaigns for men to have improved support services as I do for women to have more power in the workplace and to close the gender gap on payment, I was merely responding to the comment that male privilage is a thing, I personally dont think it is or at least not to the extent some people believe, I was just giving my opinion and a perspective from a male standpoint and to take a way a females perspective which I may have never thought about, I could totally be wrong on some points i made but thats why I responded here to give my take on the subject and to take something away from it too

You step up and campaign for improved support services for men then. Or start health screening campaign groups for men. Or join one of the many men's campaign groups aimed at breaking down toxic masculinity.

You do you. Women do feminism.

they'll be things men take for granted that women wish they could have for example standing up and peeing :P but I think theres a lot of things men lack that women take for granted too, so its not so much male privilage but more just things that both genders need to improve upon to make society fairer for both sexes

Im a male who to be fair has not really paid much attention to the feminist movement and has only read articles about some of the broader issues such as the gender pay gap etc, I wouldnt consider myself a feminist but I agree a lot with what feminism stands for and I believe the only way for a society to thrive is for all people regardless of faith/sex/race or age to work together in a fair society.

saying that I do tend to agree with the friend of the OP that feminism sometime strays too far from its original goal and sometimes has a false image of what men are really like, how we behave and how we live our lives, I was asked a similar question by a female friend recently and I asked for some examples, and the examples she gave me except for a few were largly not true and I can see the same examples being given here.

1. Men dont fear going out and walking down a street alone at night

• I hear this one a lot and I cant speak for all men but if I see a group of men or women at night I tend to cross the street or look for a place with more people around, I've had verbal abuse shouted at me while passing a group of men as well as sexual/verbal abuse from a group of drunken women coming from a nightclub on a number of occations. Being a man doesnt prevent harm coming to me while walking down a street, if a group of people or a single person tries to attack me theirs nothing much i can do.

1. Gender Pay

• Now this I agree with to a point, Many work places pay the same but some jobs, mainly the really high payed jobs such as acting, law, politics etc do have a pay gap that needs to be addressed, and I would say you'd find it hard to find a man that disagrees with women getting payed equally. Its wrong to pay a woman less for doing the same job as a man.

1. Men can sleep with lots of women and be applauded for it but if a woman does the same shes a whore.

• This is another subject I see pop up a lot, again this is only from my perspective as a man but I hate men that use women just as much as women that use men unless both parties are fully aware of what they're getting themselves into. contrary to popular belief men actually dont talk about sex and woman anymore than i expect women talk about men, I've been around many social groups and the topic never comes up, we talk about sports, tv, music, holidays, work, family and the idiot that spilt coffee on us in the morning, basically generic boring topics. I think Tv especially reality tv has put men in a negative light, what you see on shows like that is so different from reality

1. Work enviroment

• again i think this depends on the type of work that you do, generally normal jobs will treat men and woman just as shit, but certain sectors treat the oposite sex worse depending on a job you apply too, for example women would generally be looked down on if they decide to work in a garage or as an electrical engineer even though they're perfectly capable of doing so, men equally get looked down on in professions like childcare and caring roles even though we have the same capabilities to care about kids and the vulnerable.

1. Health (physically and mentally)

• Men are lacking in this department quite a bit, some of it is our fault, we tend to not go and get checked up but the amout of support out there for women compaired to men is astounding, men who are abused/raped/ or facing depression havent got the support networks a woman would generally have, men sometimes are even vilified and are told to man up or are laughed at because it cant possibly happen to a man. many men suffer in silence just as many women do and again i dont think its a man vs women problem more a social problem where men and women who have been abused should support each other and fight for a change together.

Not having to scrutinise every interaction with a new man to make sure I'm not coming across as "flirty" or in some way giving out a signal.

fmsfs Yes construction sites are dangerous places. Yes it is mostly men who work on them and yes they have accidents and die.
You mentioned construction workers in the middle east building stadiums and other large projects (lots of skyscrapers as well).

These men are shipped in from much poorer countries, are treated very badly, paid barely anything and nobody on this thread is blaming these men for making a very hard choice to take these jobs in order to earn a living.

BUT this thread is about male privilege, not poor migrant working conditions which I agree are terrible and should be subject to international workers rights .
SO I ask :
Who dominates the countries where this is allowed to happen ? Who runs construction companies, who are the property developers, who is making the money from all these massive projects?
What's the male / female ratio of these people ?

Saying that male privilege exists doesn't mean that all men are living much better lives than all women. Not at all, I'd argue that male privilege allows those who are in a position to do so, to exploit those who aren't, whether they be male or female.

@mrsterrypratchett this isn't an "argument", I am pointing out that posts like yours are victim blaming

What are the bad things that men do to each other in the work place that results in 95% more men dying than women?

In North America, where these stats often come from, construction workers use drugs and alcohol at an alarming rate. I worked in a homeless shelter, used as cheap accommodation for migrant construction workers, who would get good and fucking high on meth all night then go to work.

The perception that bachelors are party boys who don't want to be tied down.

The perception that spinsters are sad old ladies who are left on the shelf as no one wants them.

You aren't arguing in good faith fms so it's tough to actually have the conversation. Which is an interesting conversation to have.

If you look at the majority world, the statistics aren't similar. Street sweeping, garment factories, picking rubbish, farming, prostitution if you consider it a job (I don't), open mining etc. all jobs that women do. Why did they all get safer in the Western democracies while the jobs almost solely done by men (mining, logging) stayed incredibly fatal?

Increased mechanization, unionization, safety protocols seem to be working, and observed, in some workplaces and not others. Or have we just kept the poorly paid jobs that women tend to do in the majority world and the very well-paid dangerous male jobs in the Western democracies?

"95% of all work place deaths are male because many of said males DON’T FOLLOW THE SAFETY PROCEDURES!!!""

Substitute workplace deaths for rapes, males for females and watch the cries of "victim blaming" pour in

Keep it up

My youngest son used to have Opposite Day. This is like Opposite Day and Groundhog Day together. In Wonderland.

There is no point talking to fms. Not even for the lurkers

haxxor MADE the point
Not making sense there fms

Just realised all the replies are just victim blaming 😂😂😂😂

@haxxor you're missing the point

Men are more likely to die at work because they do more dangerous jobs

All the replies to this point attempt to blame it on their own incompetence or that of their male management.

None of you want to accept or admit that men are more likely to die at work because they do more dangerous jobs.

The attempts to assign blame to these men reveal your collective misandry

People die at work all the time and there are lots of reasons where nobody might be at fault e.g. It's just bad luck, but yeah keep trying to find ways to blame men 😂

The really simple one of thinking it is

absolutely fine to commandeer the name woman and start using single-sex spaces, without realising or caring to think about why they are single-sex and how much these spaces matter and mean to women and children who really need them

@MrsTerryPratchett

No, I think anecdotes aren't compelling evidence for anything

yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

You responded to the claim that men are more likely to die at work/in workplace accidents by blaming it on them being on drugs. Your basis for this is your own anecdotal experience.

Your anecdote doesn't apply to every workplace or every workplace casualty

What is it about people with Pratchet in their names not getting this? 😆

Not having to worry about a camera in a public toilet.
Never being the victim of an upskirt photo.
Not having porn made about you and plastered online.
Not being the victim of revenge porn.
Never having to wash spunk off your clothes after being out in public.