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Very basic, obvious examples of male privilege please?

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tigersox · 18/06/2018 19:21

Examples every man will experience. Undeniable and obvious

I'm trying to make male privilege simple to a friend who feels us feminists have gone too far.

Thanks Grin

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tigersox · 18/06/2018 23:19

I haven't heard of the term DARVO? What's that an acronym for?

To clarify... he's checked with other women and they've told him they like it Hmm it makes them feel good to get a look 👀

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ErrolTheDragon · 18/06/2018 23:17

Oh well... for that case, some men think they are entitled make pathetic excuses for behaviour which he knows may upset women. The patheticness is emphasised by the fact that many other men are perfectly willing and able to avoid such behaviours because they give a shit about other people's feelings whether women or men.

He's actually doing a bit of a DARVO isn't he? Feminism has gone too far because it's making him feel bad.

FermatsTheorem · 18/06/2018 23:16

Why should he think that I am in need of "validation"? (I am fine as I am, thank you very much). And why should he think that said validation should take the form of being leched over?

Why would being leched over by at best a perfectly ordinary looking bloke (who has established, by the mere act of visibly leching, that he has a seriously unpleasant personality) be in any way pleasing to me? And at worst by a middle aged sleaze-ball who looks like a bulldog stung by a wasp? Why would I like this?

Would he feel "validated" by Nora Batty saying loudly in his vicinity "phwoarr I'd give him one"? If not, why would he feel I should feel that way about a Les Dawson lookalike doing the same to me?

tabulahrasa · 18/06/2018 23:16

“Lots of women like being stared at - it validates them and is a compliment.”

Except they don’t, some do, lots just don’t complain - which isn’t the same thing at all.

YourVagesty · 18/06/2018 23:13

I've started staring back unsmilingly at men. And let me tell you what i've learned - they do not drop their gaze and it becomes a bit of an aggressive situation. Becomes a battle of wills actually. Very, very weird!

tigersox · 18/06/2018 23:11

Yes... last responses all where I am coming from.

This is where the focus is though

'Lots of women like being stared at - it validates them and is a compliment. Feminism has gone too far when it says men shouldn't stare at women'

And I think a lot of men justify their desire to stare with this argument.

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steppemum · 18/06/2018 23:09

Why does his need to stare supersede my need to be safe?
Why does the man's opinion take precedent over the womens?

How about start from the default option of the womens point of view - it is not acceptable to stare at women, instead of the male point of view that they want/have to stare?

You do not have more rights than me, so why should I change rather than you change?

FreezerBird · 18/06/2018 23:06

Not all men are staring because they want to assault women.

Ask him how we are meant to tell which ones do and which ones don't.

tabulahrasa · 18/06/2018 23:06

“he doesn't even know he's doing it.”

Bullshit

How can you not know where you’re looking? You’re seeing what you’re looking at, there’s physically no way to not know.

He just doesn’t care that he might be making somebody uncomfortable because his wanting to look trumps their comfort.

tigersox · 18/06/2018 23:00

Okay this is the specific argument we are having

Statement: men staring at us makes us feel uncomfortable (referencing the article I posted earlier with his response)

Response: men are biologically wired to look at women, he doesn't even know he's doing it. Not all men are staring because they want to assault women. Women should just ignore it if they don't like it. Lots of women like being stared at - it validates them and is a compliment. Feminism has gone too far when it says men shouldn't stare at women or be hyperaware not to stare in case they feel uncomfortable.

(Paraphrased)

Help me mumsnet Grin

Disclaimer: he's a lovely guy and too scared of us vipers to post his response so I've offered to save him from crucifixion by posting.

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madja · 18/06/2018 22:59

Thanks pombear
It is a stark reminder of how we are not taken seriously. Not really. Hysterical women.

ErrolTheDragon · 18/06/2018 22:53

If a man's professional title is Dr, how many times would you expect him to be addressed as Ms, Miss or Mrs? Would you expect the same frequency for a woman Dr? If a couple are both Dr, what would be the ratio of envelopes addressed to Dr and Mrs vs Mr and Dr?

(Clue: In over 30 years since our PhDs and marriage, it's only ever been me that's been mis-sexed or 'downgraded')

nocoolnamesleft · 18/06/2018 22:45

Language around sexuality.

Man:
Stud
Real man
Stallion
Player
Goer
Ladies' man
Lothario
Casanova

Woman:
Slut
Whore
Tramp
Prossie
Slag

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 18/06/2018 22:41

Tradespeople actually responding when you make contact

Your teacher assuming you might be good at/interested in maths, science, engineering

Benefiting from the pay gap

LemonysSnicket · 18/06/2018 22:40

Not being 23 and looked up and down even in professional situations and watching a blokes eyes change and knowing they will never speak to you as they do your male colleague.

FermatsTheorem · 18/06/2018 22:39

Halfeaten I knew that was going to be Miss Triggs before I even clicked on it Grin

One of my favourite cartoons.

HemanOrSheRa · 18/06/2018 22:36

I agree with the day to day safety. What do men do to keep themselves safe? What do women do? It's very different.

UpstartCrow · 18/06/2018 22:33

Being able to complain that feminism has gone 'too far' with a straight face, while women in DV shelters face losing their housing benefit.

Timefortea99 · 18/06/2018 22:27

Puss? Piss!

Timefortea99 · 18/06/2018 22:25

Commuting woes - manspreading and assuming that the arm rest is theirs.

Although the other day a friends son in his early 20s said it boiled his puss when other men sit near him and assume that the arm rest belongs to them. He is a tall well built guy but even he has noticed it.

I read on a thread here that to get people to move out of your way, walk with purpose and stare hard into the middle distance. It works. They may have to take a last minute step sideways, but something registers and they move. Walk like an Exocet!

Halfeatentoast · 18/06/2018 22:19

punch.photoshelter.com/image/I0000eHEXGJ_wImQ

This cartoon says it all

OrlandaFuriosa · 18/06/2018 22:12

Commentary on Theresa May’s trousers, never on Boris’ or Macron’s.

Etymology23 · 18/06/2018 22:10

I was trying to explain the concept of “privilege” to a male friend and he didn’t really get it. A few minutes later I mentioned that women regularly get groped and cat called and he was like “no... doesn’t happen does it? I’ve never seen it” and I explained that That was his privilege. He didn’t even know it happened to women because his presence means it happens less. He was appalled to realise that I and most of my female friends had been assaulted.

Serfisafleur · 18/06/2018 22:10

Being able to walk around without being told to "smile" or "cheer up".

Assuming you can order a woman to cheer up or smile.

FreezerBird · 18/06/2018 22:08

Crash test dummies.

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