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Very basic, obvious examples of male privilege please?

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tigersox · 18/06/2018 19:21

Examples every man will experience. Undeniable and obvious

I'm trying to make male privilege simple to a friend who feels us feminists have gone too far.

Thanks Grin

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ErrolTheDragon · 03/10/2018 10:48

I haven't had the full thread, have we had: men get to live in a built environment designed for men?

Racefluidtrans · 03/10/2018 10:36

Agreed. My wife used to be the one to jump in discussions and defend men. Last year, her(now him) and I came to a resolution and she(now he) became a ze and I am a happy zer. The reason we decided on this was for us to experience both sides.

Sarahjconnor · 03/10/2018 09:09

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genderfluidracefluid · 03/10/2018 08:31

As a Zer I can speak for both sides and I'll tell you this...what you have said is without a doubt one of THE MOST low key racist things I have heard in my life. Have you ever read To Kill a Mocking Bird. I suppose Tom Robinson was guilty...oh wait...that's NOT how the story goes.

SittingAround1 · 25/06/2018 21:07

Just checked out some statistics to put things into perspective
2016-7 : 30 fatal injuries on UK construction sites
64 000 non fatal injuries
80 000 work related ill health
www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/industry/construction/index.htm

2017 : 1.9 MILLION domestic abuse victims 1.2 million women 713000 men
www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/domesticabusefindingsfromthecrimesurveyforenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2017

I can't find domestic homicide rates except this :

•Women were far more likely to be killed by partners or ex-partners (50% of female victims aged 16 and over compared with 3% of male victims aged 16 and over), whereas men were more likely to be killed by friends or acquaintances (32% of male victims aged 16 and over compared with 10% of female victims aged 16 and over).

QuentinSummers · 25/06/2018 19:49

That is plain bullying and a very clear and direct example of oppression
Bullying is not oppression
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/dictionary.cambridge.org/amp/english/oppression

BaronessEllaSaturday · 25/06/2018 18:07

fmsfms can I ask since you are comparing male deaths in construction industry to sexual assaults what health and safety rules exist for women living their lives that they are not following since you claim that stating men not following health and safety guidelines are victim blaming of the same nature?

Injuries on a construction site I know of has had it's accident rate reduced by 90% since a female site manager took over. The number of people removed from the site for refusing to follow basic safety procedures has increased significantly.

Raign · 25/06/2018 14:04

You're correct!! I didnt, what I was saying about trying to be civil and add to the discussion was true Smile

Pratchet · 25/06/2018 13:56

Omg
You couldn't make it up

Raign · 25/06/2018 13:52

@MrsTerryPratchett I know you probably have many men visit these forums to cause trouble and write rubbish, my intention wasn't to do that, I was here to learn what Male privilege meant, and came with a open mind, I agree that women have a lot to fight for to have total equality, what I didnt agree with was that privilege is one sided, instead I suggested men and women have different advantages in different walks of life, I was reading through the thread and I agree with a lot of what was said but I thought i’d give my own experiences as a male that went against some of the examples that were being brought forth as male privilege. The only reason I told people I was a man was because it was relevant to the topic because I was talking about my own experiences that went against the grain of what was being said, and the wall of text im sorry about, I have a habit of doing that lol, I wasn't trying to lecture anyone or state my experiences as the right view that everyone should take, I was just coming at the subject from my perspective using my own experiences as a basis to have a conversation and was trying to explain my reasoning as much as possible instead of saying “I don't agree with this,this and this goodbye”

@Mumminmum this will probably be my last post so dont worry im gone after this, I just wanted to defend myself from some assumptions that are being made about my intentions of being here, I came here because I was curious about the subject after hearing someone mention it to me, I find it more beneficial to talk to people that don't necessarily hold the same views as me but are willing to talk and give me their viewpoints and allow me to give my side of events and tell me how im right or wrong, me giving my opinions and feelings on a subject in my opinion isn't a example of male entitlement its just how a discussion works, I don't expect you to agree with what I said and im certainly not expecting anyone to take what I say as fact, everyone in this thread are giving their opinions and feelings on the subject, I just was just doing the same but from the opposite side of the coin and was using some examples given here as things that are said to be male privilege but what I as a male don't find to be true within my life.

@AssassinatedBeauty I have been trying to be polite and engaging while also disagreeing with some things that were being said and was trying to provide evidence using my own experiences to back my views up, I have read up on what has been said before that's why I was agreeing with the pay gap which is totally despicable and dont get how they are debating why a women should be payed less for doing the same amount of work as a man, I also agree women dont have enough protections against violent men and that women are generally overlooked in jobs that are not traditionally viewed as women's professions

@tabulahrasa My mother was taking part in a childcare course, in this course a young man was also also attending, he was a bit of a outsider within the class and out of earshot some people from the class were also discussing why a man would take childcare and how it was a little weird, saying this I have also had first hand experience of being praised for simply being a guy playing with my little nephews which i found incredibly weird at the time and a little condescending but thought I might just be reading into the comment being made way too much and instead just took it as a compliment, but it does back up your statement that men being around children is sometimes seen as praiseworthy when it should instead be seen as normal behaviour that men should exhibit

MrsBartlettforthewin · 24/06/2018 20:09

fmsfms I really don't get your logic. If a person decides to not follow safety rules and they get injured or worse how is that not their fault? Surely they are in the wrong for not following the safety rules.
If a women gets sexually assaulted that isn't her fault, she did nothing wrong. I don't really see how you are comparing the two.

fmsfms · 24/06/2018 20:04

@mumminmum "not victim blaming. Scientific fact. People who are risk averse take less risks than people who are not risk averse."

That's exactly what you are doing

Just think how you would feel if someone posted your posts in response to a women sexual assault statistics

UtterlyConfused111 · 24/06/2018 19:47

@mumminmum
you just went on here and completely dominated the thread with long essays about you thoughts, your feelings and your opinions as a man. That is male entitlement. Now please stop posting here.

Very nicely put.

Mumminmum · 24/06/2018 19:42

@fmsfms not victim blaming. Scientific fact. People who are risk averse take less risks than people who are not risk averse.

fmsfms · 24/06/2018 19:11

@mumminmum "A study has shown that men are more willing to comprimise on safety in the workplace than women are"

Oh goody, more victim blaming

tabulahrasa · 24/06/2018 18:49

“for example women would generally be looked down on if they decide to work in a garage or as an electrical engineer even though they're perfectly capable of doing so, men equally get looked down on in professions like childcare and caring roles even though we have the same capabilities to care about kids and the vulnerable”

Um.. men do not get looked down on in childcare, I’m involved in a childcare organisation and there are 6 women and 2 men working there... guess who always gets praised by parents? Now the 2 men are of course good at their job, but they’re no better than the women and in fact one of the men is still a trainee...

Mumminmum · 24/06/2018 18:43

@fmsfms and @Clairetree1 men are welcome here when they do not come to the forum with the main purpose to derail the threads, dismiss the posters' opinions, display blatant male entitlement and in general write misogynistic crap.

Clairetree1 · 24/06/2018 18:41

@Raign you just went on here and completely dominated the thread with long essays about you thoughts, your feelings and your opinions as a man. That is male entitlement. Now please stop posting here.

no it isn't.

it is one person answering questions and asking others, as is what happens in discussion. It is very nasty to say that as a male @raign is not welcome to join in the conversation and give us his point of view.

He was trying to understand what you are saying ( I have also been trying to understand what you are saying) he thinks you are wrong in some ways, so do I. He is saying so, and explaining why. How can he be told his point of view isn't valid.

That is plain bullying and a very clear and direct example of oppression

Clairetree1 · 24/06/2018 18:38

Male people generally defend other male people. It's something of a tell

you say I am male because I have read what a man has written and agree with a lot of it?

Do you actually believe that the human race is divided into two totally opposed homogenous groups, all men are the same and can be identified through what they type, and all women are totally identical and disagree with them?

most people just take individuals as individuals without making such complete sweeping assumptions about them.

You have just demonstrated how ridiculously sexist and prejudiced you are.

Mumminmum · 24/06/2018 18:37

@Raign you just went on here and completely dominated the thread with long essays about you thoughts, your feelings and your opinions as a man. That is male entitlement. Now please stop posting here.

To those who think that male privilege has nothing to do with more men dying in the workplace. A study has shown that men are more willing to comprimise on safety in the workplace than women are:
www.quora.com/93-of-workplace-deaths-in-the-U-S-are-men-Men-are-more-likely-to-work-dangerous-jobs-How-can-we-reduce-this-number-to-a-more-sensible-level
The article says: "That being said the most effective way, in practice and until now, to reduce workplace deaths has been to have more women doing those jobs. Why? Man men have been sold that their worth is linked to their capacity to provide. As such men are often ready to compromise a lot of factors to get a better salary (personal safety, work balance, free time, bad environment, health, etc)."
In other words: WOMEN WORKING IN CONSTRUCTION DO NOT HAVE THE SAME DEATH RATES AS MEN WORKING IN CONSTRUCTION and it is NOT bloody sexist to point this out. It is a scientific fact!
Also see here: injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/4/2/94
And here: goodmenproject.com/featured-content/macho-men-die-early/

and also see this: The number one cause of women's death in the workplace is homicide. Yes, caused by men denverite.com/2016/06/30/homicide-leading-cause-workplace-death-women/

Clairetree1 · 24/06/2018 18:34

ridiculous

Pratchet · 24/06/2018 17:48

Male people generally defend other male people. It's something of a tell.

Clairetree1 · 24/06/2018 17:01

again @raign has a right to disagree with the assumptions being made about men. He has expressed his disagreement politely and clearly. He has added to the discussion. He is being ridiculed and dismissed rather than answered.

I actually think a lot of what he is saying is right

UtterlyConfused111 · 24/06/2018 16:29

@mrsterrypratchett
Well done
Completely agreed with how well you’ve put it

AssassinatedBeauty · 24/06/2018 16:03

MrsTerryPratchett has given a very good summary of the kind of thing that happens on this section all the time. Men are very welcome, if they can manage some basic manners and read/listen as much as they post.

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