Why should we be made to lie?

Yup. Language is malleable. Scientific fact stays the same unless we find new facts.

How then do you identify between a transgender man and a non transgender man? Or do you just say transgender man? Isn't that effectively the same as saying trans-identified male?

The dictionary is simply a compilation of words. It is not exaustive or infallible.

Finally! I have been saying that for yonks, every time someone tries to educate me on the meaning of the word "woman" in fact.

It would probably be a lie to say that they exist

I don't see what that has to do with anything; male to female transexuals exist; the dictionary seems to be saying that an acceptable word to describe them is "transwoman".

I bet Dr Johnson didn't have transwoman in his dictionary.

I bet he didn't have chainsaw in there either, or bisexual; and? Is it the original dictionary we have to live by now? Now that the one we've been citing as the one true definition of "woman" contains a word we don't want to use?

Try looking up what dictionary means in the dictionary rat.

I don't give a toss about the dictionary, to be fair. I'm just surprised that so many who have bashed me round the head with it's "truth" now won't submit to it on the basis of its lies.

I don't and won't use transmen either.

Male and female, men and women, boys and girls...:these are all good!

Not lying either
Being made to lie is abusive
If I get banned, life goes on and shall continue to think and say the same in real life

OK, but it means 'male to female transsexual' or 'a transgender person'. It does not mean they are biologically female at all. It would be different if MNHQ was insisting that they be referred to as 'women'. People use the term 'trans men' on a frequent basis- is that not equally as much of a lie?

I guess that in the scheme of things, it seems a bit short-sighted to get hung up on a term that was used without question until relatively recently. Is it worth completely abandoning any debate because of it?

I refuse to lie.

I am using male and female. Not trans anything. Just male and female.

You see - I don't believe that a man can become a woman. If you make me say that you are being oppressive.

It refers to a natal biological male who has transitioned and identifies as female.

Who knew?

Peak many of us have never used that term. It implies they are a subset of women, when they aren't. They are all male. I always referred to them as TIMs but that word isn't allowed even though it is accurate in a way transWOMAN can never be.

I bet Dr Johnson didn't have transwoman in his dictionary.
As for Wikipedia - really unnerving to see how that is being edited.

Try looking up what dictionary means in the dictionary rat.

I have seen the term transwomen being used here for ages by posters of all beliefs. I don't understand why it is suddenly impossible to use this term for so many posters. It refers to a natal biological male who has transitioned and identifies as female.

To your question why should we made to lie'?

Because it makes some people feel better about their ideas about themselves, because they feel uncomfortable in their own body.

Because it makes some other people happy that they have encroached into another's space, and are able to demonstrate power and control over a biological sex they have little respect for.

Because it makes some other people happy (and potentially sexually aroused/power-aroused) that they have forced themselves into spaces, both theoretical and real, that they shouldn't be in.

Because it makes some other people happy that, by lying, and being silenced, we are not able to defend some children who, otherwise, would be liberated to live free and happy lives as who they are, non-medicated, non-stereotyped. (NB: these children are not good role-models for the happy people described in this paragraph, as they challenge the happy people's descriptions of gender/their own identity/questionable ideas).

Karma, martians, ghosts...all these things are in the dictionary too. Doesn't mean they exist!

It would probably be a lie to say that they exist,

Transsubstantiation is also in the dictionary, but that does not compel me to believe in it.

The dictionary is simply a compilation of words. It is not exaustive or infallible.

I'm sure 'unicorn' is in the dictionary too.

So... would it be a lie to use it to describe a horse with a horn on its head?

rat - I'm sure 'unicorn' is in the dictionary too.

Its against my religion to tell lies. So I dont.

I do not use incorrect pronouns to refer to people either. I refuse to. Just as I do not recite the creed of Catholicism or profess Muslim beliefs. This is an act of belief too.

Well, I do not believe. Forcing me to use incorrect pronouns is in direct opposition to my beliefs and philosophy.

I was under the impression that many posters turned to the dictionary as the arbiter of truth?

"Transwoman" is in there.