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any thoughts? Is left support for modern trans ideology allied to marxist theory?

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Norther · 18/06/2018 14:23

Firstly, I would define my politics as socialist, so let me get that out of the way.

This is just a thought I am throwing out there. I wonder if the surprisingly vociferous support that the modern left (I.e. those who have no connection to or understanding of life of working classes) have for the modern trans movement (as opposed to that group of individuals who have quietly transitioned in the past and for whom I have sympathy) and its eagerness to transition very young children is connected to marxist theory and its disdain for the family unit.

Genuine question. Sorry if poorly expressed - am not an academic. Happy to be corrected so no angry responses thanks. X

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SuperLoudPoppingAction · 18/06/2018 14:40

'male self-described' - there's your issue - I did have an inkling that might be it!

AngryAttackKittens · 18/06/2018 14:37

Ask them questions about Marxism, basic stuff, and watch their responses. In most cases they "identify" as Marxists without ever having picked up a copy of Das Kapital in their lives.

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Norther · 18/06/2018 14:36

Thanks for those responses. May I ask then why there seems, in my eyes, to be such an overlap bet ween especially male self-described marxists and trans ideology supporters? Or is the overlap simply the 'male' part. It's just annoying that the support for women is coming from the right at the moment which is so frustrating to me and has left me politically homeless.

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AngryAttackKittens · 18/06/2018 14:28

Nope. Marxists (real ones anyway) are good at class analysis and capable of analyzing in great detail who belongs to Class Woman and why.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 18/06/2018 14:26

Should have put a disclaimer - I am not a Marxist and only understand what women have been patient enough to explain to me.
But for eg Germaine Greer also challenged the idea of raising children in families and she's not supportive of personality-based gender theories.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 18/06/2018 14:24

Hrmm. What about Marx's analysis of reproductive labour?

What about dialectical materialism?

I know a lot of Marxist/materialist feminists who have a dictionary-based understanding of who is a man, who is a woman. But obviously they're women. Unsure what men would make of it but I personally trace it to Foucault who was a bit unhealthily obsessed with Sade.

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