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Kylie Jenner Father's Day Post

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Moonkissedlegs · 18/06/2018 13:50

So Kylie Jenner has posted a 'Father's Day' post to her 109 million Instagram followers: the caption says 'we are so lucky to have you' and its 7 or 8 pictures of her as a child with her and her sister with their parents, with Caitlyn obviously pre transition.

I just thought, good on her. She obviously does not see her father as a 'woman' in any way, he is her dad. But I was also just thinking about it in this climate of having to be so careful about deadnaming and misgendering. I don't know, like would people give a young woman shit for misgendering her own dad? Do people really believe that Caitlyn Jenner is a woman? Am I even allowed to say that?

There were a few comments about 'transphobia' underneath but a lot of them seemed to be kind of sarcastic, which suggests that no one really actually buys it. And if CJ isn't a woman, then how are other transwomen 'actually' women?

As an aside, I also found it quite sad - all these pictures were such happy ones of her as a kid with her happily married parents. It does seem like she had quite a happy childhood before all the Kardashian stuff kicked off. It seems like she was longing for that time again or something posting these pics, there were no current or recent ones on the post.

Apologies for lowering the tone in Feminism Chat with a KJ post!

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esk1mo · 18/06/2018 14:16

“My son is bloody awesome. From the age of 9 he totally got the hang of she/her. This morning he gave me my father’s day card, gave me the biggest hug and told me he loves me 😊. I’ll always be his dad even if I’m a woman and we’ll always be there for each other.”

the tweet ^

Viago · 18/06/2018 14:15

I might be misremembering, but didn't CJ say on the Genderquake farce that some of the children say "she's my dad" when talking about CJ?

esk1mo · 18/06/2018 14:13

im quite confused by this aswell. i saw a post on twitter by a M>F trans and it was how their child had really taken to the new pronouns (she/her), how proud they were, then showing off the fathers day card and how proud they were to be a dad.

surely if you are using she/her then you use other female pronouns? or be referred to as a “parent” and not mum/dad? im not trying to be goady, i generally couldnt get my head around that tweet. so you basically pick and choose which parts of your life you want to be associated with your new gender, while also keeping some parts of your previous gender.

🤯

MorrisZapp · 18/06/2018 13:57

Jenner may be a rich white republican Trump lover, but in some ways they're almost on our side. They see shades of nuance where others see black and white.

Moonkissedlegs · 18/06/2018 13:55

How the rest of us are meant to get it right, god knows.

Yes, this is it isn't it!

(Grin at Bruce, die hard!)

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MorrisZapp · 18/06/2018 13:52

I might be wrong but I understand Jenners kids all still call Jenner 'dad'.

Jenner sometimes calls themselves Bruce, or he, because they said old habits die hard.
(lol Bruce, die hard)

How the rest of us are meant to get it right, god knows.

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