3 strikes and you're out

I think that, as MNHQ are not flexible, reasonable or unbiased, it's time to find/create another forum or medium to discuss these issues.

One where the Mods are Cunty Feminists & can make their own rules up - deleting gaslighters, de-railers etc.

Discussion does not mean having to listen to people spouting shite....

The whole model of deleting any comment that anyone might find offensive is flawed. We're not children who need our eyes covered. Leaving giant holes in conversations is confusing for anyone who reads them later, and in the case of particularly offensive comments actually protects the person who can then claim not to have said what they said.

Where the fuck is mnhq!?

I wonder if when reporting posts, it might be helpful to ask HQ to allow them to remain? I did report ghost, but I wanted to draw HQs attention to what they are saying (and maybe ban them) rather than wanting their posts deleted.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Censorship is a dangerous path for a society to be walking down. This needs to stop now.

Call it out AAK. Every single time. 👍

Journalists- you should be looking at this and worrying. Because this is just the start. Women on MN are an easy target. Once they’ve shut us up, they’ll come for you.

So, lurkers, did you note what just happened in this thread? One one side - a bunch of worried, upset, confused regulars trying to figure out how to navigate a policy that at best was poorly thought out and at worse was actively intended to prevent them from speaking the truth. On the other side - a commenter who had already nastily goaded infertile women on another thread who, not content with that, came to this one under a new name (against the rules) to goad and gloat again. The latter party is who the new policy was designed to appease. A person whose idea of activism is to compare female infertility to being unable to get pregnant and give birth to a child because you were born with a penis and testicles rather than a vagina and ovaries and nobody born with a penis and testicles can get pregnant, and who continued making that comparison in the face of many women telling them to stop, that it's upsetting, that it shows no compassion or empathy towards women suffering from infertility at all. And then, when that thread ran out of space, they jumped into this thread, already full of confused, upset, worried women, to do it again.

Why is a parenting website aimed at women trying to appease someone who behaves like that? Do you, lurkers, think that women reading a parenting website should be forced to try to protect the feelings of someone who would behave like that at our own expense?

(And by lurkers I also mean the journalists who we already know read this site. Are you seeing this? Do you understand what it means in terms of free speech, and who's being protected at whose expense? An article about how this situation came about would make interesting reading, don't you think?)

I don't think infertility posts should ever be my call but as a rule, I agree that goady posters do sterling work. I very much doubt anyone followed the Spartacus thread nodding along to Ghost and thinking, 'You know what, you've got a point there.'

I also didn't notice any trans allies coming along to support Ghost. I would imagine they were mortified and more than happy to see those posts taken down.

thebewilderness
Weird? How about the whoever is a child physically may be an adult legally

😬

Amalfimamma
Trust all those tiny bits that go together telling you what you need to know. Trust your gut.
To me there was something off about them saying what time it was in the Spartacus thread. How is that for a weird

This is horrifying. I've been a lurker in these threads for a long time and have finally got up the guts to start commenting following the news of the MNHQ crackdown. It's one thing to have the opportunity to participate in the discussions but choose not to, another thing entirely to have your voice taken away from you.

This is the part that gets me

"it's important that the debate remains civil and constructive"

In other words, be nice ladies. Don't be offensive, don't make waves, it's as long as you are polite you will be allowed a seat at the grownups table. I wonder at what point we are going to be asked what we were wearing to deserve this.

NewbieSpartacus, Errol, wilderness
In have no evidence but the name "tess" which they use in their bio, email etc, the comment tone and the contemporary posting here and elsewhere.

I understand the poster said they were in a different time zone and claimed to be "In oz" but they've made more ludicrous claims online tbh. I do remember them gaslighting an infertile woman once just like what was done here.

Not to mention the fact that they were adamant in their insistence to remain on the thread, yet once I allowed to the connection the decided to fuck off.

It may be my brain working overtime, the fact that all my deleted messages have been to do wowith th this person, like at least one other poster, or that others posters have been gaslighted online by this twatterazxi, my gut is telling me one thing. And my gut is rarely wrong 2

Also:

Sex is one of the 9 protected characteristics of EA.

As I say...

Mnhq have got this SO wrong

The posting times were congruent with that.

The sock puppet said they were in Oz.

Amalfi Fuck, is that who Ghost is?

Any evidence for the implication? (Ghost seemed to be in a time zone 8hrs ahead)

Mnhq have got this SO wrong.

Biology is NOT bigotry.

It's fact.

You can "indentify" as a fucking unicorn for all I care.

Doesnt make you one though, does it?

What is happening wrt women's rights is insidious. What is happening wrt children bring given hormones and surgery is child abuse.

TRAs hate women. They think they are better at being women than actual women.

Perhaps its the obvious end point of male narcissism?....the eradication of women as a sex?

As it's now June I suppose I'd better put the sprouts in a low simmer.....

I AM SPARTACUS

Amalfi Fuck, is that who Ghost is? I would not have sodding engaged if I'd known!

I think the poster had been goady elsewhere. I did not report that post. I chose to respond to it... civilly.

R0wantrees

I have asked that the 'Im an infertile woman like you' post is reinstated. Whilst I think the poster had been goady, their comment is significant. If it is deleted, mine and other women's in this thread makes less sense.

I think this matters.

I agree. It's got confusing.

I rarely report goady posts because I prefer them left for others to see.

But I understand why you did. It was bloody personal.

I hope that MN will consider this.

ErrolTheDragon

Sorry I was not clear.
I will try to do better.
Bit pissed after seeing the sock puppet all over FWR gloating and goading.

NewbieSpartacus I agree. They are denying our existence and literally killing us with their violence.

They are all CERFS

R0wantrees I think you're right, the pot should remain just to show the sheer hatred with which it was written

Probably overdue bedtime, like me. And I'm not staying around for sodding Xmas songs in flaming June bah humbug.