3 strikes and you're out

@HebeMumsnet
Thanks, I have replied to your email.

I do understand your position but would ask that you please reconsider the decision due to the wider issues.

Just a post in support of rowantrees request to have that post stand - I think that needs to be seen tbh.

it's us doing it now to try to stay within guidelines and not using words/phrases offensive to us
But for completely different reasons, we are under 'penalty of forum death', they do it to obscure.

Dear reader; Dont read this page from the bottom up. Go to the top and work your way down, trust me.
Seems a foolhardy venture to me, would never even attempt it.

I think it would be helpful to at least have some indication why a comment was deleted. "Deleted because named a person's sex" and "deleted because quoted previous deleted comment" and "deleted because blatantly trolling in the hopes of upsetting women and making them lash out so as to harvest screencaps for Twitter" and "deleted because threatened fellow user with physical harm" are all very different things.

This is what I have been agitating for AAK. The stock standard "deleted - see guidelines" means absolutely nothing, and even within the thread, means absolutely nothing.

Frankly, it looks like a whole load of censorship on a 'free speech' venue.

Dear reader; Dont read this page from the bottom up. Go to the top and work your way down, trust me.

I don't think even the new shonky guidelines stop us saying that there's no such thing as a lesbian with a penis.

I was trying to make it intelligible! And am usually not a horrible writer.

It would be great if we could just say what we mean using normal words that most people understand.

Errol stick them in the freezer and snack on them frozen. Lovely mini sorbet!

Ive read angrys post a few times and im lost

It woukd be better if we coukd use plain English

Can I ask anyone who felt upset by *GhostTess' reply and reported the post, if they were reporting the individual or the actual post please?

I do appreciate that it was distressing for many women to read.

I don't think deleting the post mitigates that distress and recognise that MN have now banned the poster.

I think this matters.

Women's Place meeting that had a bomb threat.

It's the Woman's Place Threatened with Device one Spontaneous. Sorry can't link on app (can I...?)

Illustration of the difficulty of communicating under the new guidelines - on another thread there is a trans person who is attracted to women complaining about posters engaging with a fellow trans person who is attracted to men in a different way then they engage with the former person, and about women sometimes being more comfortable with the latter variety of trans person accessing women's spaces. If we were allowed to use the words gay, straight, etc in their usual ways this would be a very easy thing to discuss. Under the new rules anyone using those words in the way most people understand them may be reported and deleted. All of the workarounds that I can think of either a. force posters to refer to a person with a penis attracted to women as a lesbian or b. risk deletion and a strike or c. will make very little sense as a result of trying to avoid both a. and b.

Can we maybe have a rethink of the extent to which the new rules hinder communication? Because really, it should be possible to say that women relate differently to one group of trans people than the other group, especially when there may be nudity involved, without a degree in communications.

Why are our rights and position second class

Because, as women, we must bow down before our lord and masters.

Thank you, HebeMNHQ.

I think their response represented their belief.

I have heard the same view stated on previous threads here and elsewhere.

I asked Ghost to consider my comment, they did and I am happy to accept that they responded honestly.

It did though highlight a lack of empathy.

Just bizarre that a small minority group is given priority over a larger group - of women. Actual women, not those who believe they are!!! Why are our rights and position second class

@HebeMumsnet
Thank you.
Could you please let me know here when the email is sent?

I have had some 'glitches' with communication with Mumsnet recently.

I'm with AAK and you all, this is about freedom of speech and thought. If discussion about women's rights becomes impossible, it will eventually be impossible to think about our rights, or identify ourselves at all. Or talk about the reality of being women, with women's bodies. Which has actual, concrete consequences for women's health.