3 strikes and you're out

There are ways round this, but it's fiddly.

Unplugging your router for 5 minutes or so may do it.

But people with over a decade of posting history and NNs they're fond of won't want to go down the re-reg route.

RedToothBrush

Good to see you. You've been missed.

TheBewilderness thanks for the heads up re Gallus Meg.

And lastly, I have a feeling Ghost has been banned.

It appears HQ are being even handed after all.

My advice is to let them speak. Just let it all flow out.

I have yet to see a transactivist say a single thing that furthers their own agenda.

Let's help them.

Agree, Datun. Sitting on my hands most of the time.

Southfields they keep track of your IP address. (There are ways round this, but it's fiddly.)

RedToothBrush

When they put us in prison and we hunger strike and the medics get involved they will start writing letters to the Home Secretary saying that we were imprisoned for stating biological truths.

Excuse me for being ignorant, but if you get banned why can't you just re-register? Or do so under a new email address? How could MN know it was you? (Just in case I get banned!)

RTB and others. You are so important. Even though us who are here now may piss you off with our arguments less shaped than yours.

You led, and are leading, the way, helping us to keep the conversation active, live, and assertive.

^ . Agreed. I am here because of you, and others like you. You made a difference. You continue to make a difference. Together we will go forward. The madness that is the New Think cannot silence facts.

Sorry have not had time to read this thread. But, if the New Rulez are only applicable to this forum... then take the convos into other places on the site.

This may be an unintended consequence of those New Rulez.

RTB - Solidarity. You were one of the posters who gave me the courage to post here for the first time last year.

RTB - take courage. We stand with you.

Anotherquoll - I rather like translady. It sounds terribly genteel!

There is also a message in there to the hard-line trans activists. You can not shut down women.

One way or another they will find ways to speak. The harder it's pushed the harder women will push back.

That doesn't serve the interests of the trans community in the long run.

I believe the dye is now cast and there is an inevitably to it all. I have no wish to be militant. I'm much more of a suffragist tbh. Militancy isn't my style. But I can see it, and feel it coming. History repeating.

No amount of trying to ban will work because of the underlying truth that exists. The unavoidable one, which even with our best efforts is a part of our inescapable fate in life. Language and surgery and social convention can not change it.

Those within society who are silent politically and totally voiceless are the most vulnerable. They tend to be women and children even in 2018.

And it's them who will suffer most in all this before it's done.

I am sad in this. Grief stricten.

Brilliant post Red. That is exactly how so many of us feel I think.

Getting back to seriousness, (soz Rufus, will be coming for you with your you're at some point!).

Hi RedToothBrush You, as with others, are people who I read over the last few months who woke me up to all of this.

I'm sorry it's feeling like this for you.

I agree with your points. My post above, about MNHQ being a business, not a charity, still stands. I think many of us are reading stuff like you've posted, understanding the nuance, the debate, what's at risk here.

Some are leaving and 'activating' elsewhere.

Some are staying and helping to open the eyes of females, females like me who didn't understand the full picture till recently, even if that means operating within confusing guidelines and disappointing boundaries.

There are so many routes and ways to do this. You absolutely helped me when you were posting here.

We may not be able to change MNHQ, but whilst they still allow us this space to discuss the issues, we'll take your baton and keep doing it.

I completely understand why you feel disappointed.

Rufus is a reindeer with opposable thumbs. I am deeply respectful of reindeer thumbs.

I'm annoyed that I was deleted and that I may be suspended or even banned if I post again in a similar vein.

And I don't think that what I posted would be judged "beyond the pale" if it had been about another ideology / movement.

HQ has continued to host this discussion when most other organizations have folded. They are continuing to hold the discussion as best they can IMO.

I don't agree with the new deletions but I don't think they are happening because HQ has sold out. I think they are happening because HQ are doing the best they can to continue to host the discussion whilst pragmatically accepting that due to the force and influence of trans politics they have to make concessions (justified or not - I do not think that they are justified).

There are very few other places where women can speak the truth as they do here and I know of no other public forum that lets us post the way we do here.

HQ are women too.

Solidarity.

And I say that as somone who was shocked and annoyed to be deleted for criticizing an ideology.

Yeah i went there pom

I got a PM from our erudite visitor.

Apparently I'm a bad person and Karma will get me. How very delightful.

Which one? Seems there are a number out tonight.

I'd add
yiz yins.

I have nfi what's going on.

I don't know what's banned and what's not. There is no obvious guide on the mobile site that I can see.

Forum is now unusable.

My email for this account is a spam one I rarely check.

I can't use the language told to me as it negates my actual life experience. It's like having my life rewritten all over again, after fighting to reclaim it.

We were betrayed.

People forgot why it was that Emmeline Pankhurst was so inspired and became militant.

She worked as a registrar in a poor area of Manchester and frequency saw women with no voice at all and all the responsibility of children ignored and forgotten. Many ended up in the workhouse; and straight after giving birth were given the choice to either be immediately separated from their child (which of course at the time might well be a death sentence in its own right) or leave destitute with no where else to go.

Once again we are seeing the same dynamic playing out. Women who found a political voice to speak up about their injustice and the injustice of their fellow women are no longer free to speak.

The most vulnerable women in our society are finding themselves in a situation where they do not feel they can go to a homeless shelter or a domestic violence shelter anymore. Their choice is being vulnerable or taking their chances on the streets.

When Emmeline's husband died she raised money for a hall in his name. Only for those who built the hall to decide it was to be a men's only hall. Despite everything that her husband had done to support the cause for women's rights and much of the reason of why they had come together as a couple.

This is what MN have effectively done. The same sort of betrayal of the point of their existence.

More and more I fear we are forgetting the principles that created liberal society and what people fought against to get rights. The history is important, as it stops us slipping back.

The nitty gritty of the whys of what Emmeline did are more important in some respects than the shallow notion of women gaining the vote. You have to know why she was so determined to ensure they had it, because of the reasons of why they so desparately needed it.

And here we are 100 years in celebrating it, and the majority doing so, have not one fucking clue about how babies and biological implications of potentially having babies were the entire bloody point.

If you haven't watched this on iPlayer about why Emmeline became militant, please do so:
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0b7d4jv/emmeline-pankhurst-the-making-of-a-militant

It's relevant. That includes you too @MNHQ.

Oh god now i really am worried