Time to get the 'L' out!

Coming from the person who says two biologically female homosexuals in a relationship with one another aren't allowed to call themselves lesbians.

It's getting harder and harder to pass the lesbian entrance exam these days, isn't it? I thought it was brutal back in the 90s when I got drilled in the interview section about whether I'd lingered too long near a nice poster of Johnny Depp when I was in sixth form, but these days it's brutal! You can't even get gold star status by avoiding cock - you have to have never kissed a man, never fancied a man and read the completed works of Julie Bindel.

Where did I say it was?! I was pointing out your attempt at a comparison was wrong.

@AssassinatedBeauty it still wouldn't be cool to display anything some black people felt to be racist at black pride.

For your comparison to be in any way relevant you'd have to be referring to black people displaying placards that other black people felt were racist.

Okay you are right, white people displaying racist placards at black pride wouldn't be welcome. Similarly GC feminists displaying transphobic placards at LGBT pride were also unwelcome.

Women are oppressed because of biology not identity, Woman is not a feeling, Change our society not your body.
Surely that could refer to the pressure on Lesbians to transition to male.
That is very relevant to Pride which should stand against the pressure Lesbians are under to adhere to other groups demands.

@RatRolyPoly

Well it's not a rule is it. But if you're waving a banner that doesn't directly relate to your LGBT experience, but does directly relate to somebody else's LGBT experience, you might expect that not to go down well when you all get together at the LGBT march.

Lesbians are women who are attracted to women, right? How do they not get to comment on womanhood given it pertains to both their own personal experience as women but also as the marginalised category of lesbian?

Women get to have a say in that, Lesbians included.

You know the more I see these vocal activists stir up this kind of ‘hang everyone who doesn’t believe what I do’ stuff the more I think the conspiracy theorists may be right. Or at least not entirely barking.

Is all this a ploy to strip women, lesbians/gay people/bisexuals of the rights they’ve fought so hard for? Kick the women out first, straight and lesbian, they’re the easy target. Then what?

In my idle moments of musing during running various bit of data I do wonder ...

Pride by its very nature is inclusive of everybody.

Ah, straightsplaining what is and isn't appropriate at LGBT events, wonderful.

Coming from the person who says two biologically female homosexuals in a relationship with one another aren't allowed to call themselves lesbians.

Ah, straightsplaining what is and isn't appropriate at LGBT events, wonderful.

I'm not "straightsplaining"; it's not me who took offence at the slogans; it's LGBT people. I'm just saying why I think that's understandable.

*I attend Pride with my wife every year. I've always felt safe and celebrated and welcomed there.

I really don't think it's fair to say that because a specific group of radfem lesbians got told they couldn't display placards which at the very least are deeply goady towards one of the groups Pride is explicitly meant to be about celebrating, that means Pride doesn't like lesbians.*

Yep me too @Whatzat298 - it's not about the Ls trying to oppress the Ts or vice versa. Pride by its very nature is inclusive of everybody.

Meh, I stand by my sense that three of their slogans seem fair for them to say and three are at best ill-judged if the intent was not to specifically offend some of their fellow LGBT marchers. Not saying they can't say them, obviously they can, just one shouldn't be too surprised if offence is that actual result.

I'm guessing that it does directly relate to their experience of being lesbian.

When lesbians are being hassled for not sleeping with someone who has a penis, and their groups are being attacked and shut down, then it is their experience. And they have the right to speak out about it.

I'll stress again though, no excuse for sinister reference to violence.

Well it's not a rule is it. But if you're waving a banner that doesn't directly relate to your LGBT experience, but does directly relate to somebody else's LGBT experience, you might expect that not to go down well when you all get together at the LGBT march.

So the general rule for slogans at Pride events is that they must only be about the relevant sexuality (or identity in the case of T), and not about any other related topic. Were other groups with placards/banners monitored to check that their signs were compliant too, I wonder?

You're saying that refering to lesbians is goady? At a pride event for all LGBT people.

No, I'm saying those three slogans referring to lesbians are completely understandable at that event. I'm saying the other three slogans - which didn't refer to lesbianism in any way - were the questionable ones.

Baroquehavoc - no - the specific slogans which were described as 'goady' were:

Women are oppressed because of biology not identity, Woman is not a feeling, Change our society not your body.

Those aren't lesbian specific at all. They are references to specific bits of feminist ideology. Lesbians can be LibFems too. We don't get given added to some kind of hive mind when we hit puberty which means we fancy women, like cats and read Germaine Greer.

Here you go, the 3 relevant slogans: Dykes don't like dick, Violence against lesbians is an epidemic, Lesbian not Queer. Totes make sense that they would hold these banners there, right?

You're saying that refering to lesbians is goady? At a pride event for all LGBT people.

I've heard the drop the B thing is 4 chan shit stirring

Could well be, but I've not seen anyone denying it.