Time to get the 'L' out!

The TRAs and GC feminists are as bad as each other.

Trump used this in charlottville.

It’s not true. GC feminists are debating, talking, and using peaceful, hunourous protest (man Friday.) a lot of letters have been written. Groups have met to talk and made sure that transpeople are invited as well.
What GC feminists have NOT done: punched a sixty year old woman to the floor. Hounded women off Twitter, set up exhibitions of weapons to be used to kill the other side. Made bomb threats. Made death threats. Made rape threats. Blocked the other side from attending peaceful meetings while masked up.

One side is absolutely not as bad as the other. Find me examples of feminist violence - because I haven’t seen any, but ive seen a tsunami of abuse directed at them.

The TRAs and GC feminists are as bad as each other.

No. This is deeply offensive bullshit.

I have just fallen down the DL rabbit hole.

I now know more than I ever thought I would about surgically created vaginas and penises. There are posters advising that they can instantly tell the difference between natal sex organs and those which have been surgically created (with very graphic descriptions and detail which I won't share here).

The consensus of opinion there is overwhelmingly "no" to having sex with someone who does not have the expected sex organs which would typically accompany their stated sexual orientation.

One poster made a good point about wondering why it is discriminatory to say that he only intends on having sex with a penis but that it's fine for him to say that he's only interested in dark haired men.

A final point which stood out for me; the fact that "sexual orientation" is being replaced with "sexual preference". Needless to say that the majority of posters on the DL thread I was reading, felt that this was intensely homophobic and designed to erase lesbian, gay and bisexual people.

The TRAs and GC feminists are as bad as each other. Ideally both groups would stay away so the rest of us can enjoy a happy pride.

Superb twitter thread here by @PankhurstEM.

(warning - contains numerous screenshots of 'jokes' about violence against T*s).

Pride is dead.

daimbars: white people displaying racist placards at black pride wouldn't be welcome ... and ... it still wouldn't be cool to display anything some black people felt to be racist at black pride.

Also daimbars discussing a 'joke' about lynching gender critical feminists: Yes that last joke was not in particularly good taste but you are really scraping the barrel if that is your 'evidence' of trans people inciting violence on lesbians!

You're doing the work for us. Please do carry on.

The data lounge posters definitely do not try and tie themselves up in knots over PC language.

It’s really refreshing (if terribly impolite).

Apparently it’s one of the few places gay men get to critique TRA ideology without fear of over moderation...

Gay men are starting to come under attack for "discriminatory dating preferences

That is interesting. I wonder if men will be allowed the ‘no’ that women are denied?

It isn't homosexual if one of you is bisexual

I'm probably going to regret asking this, but do you believe anyone is a lesbian if they have previously had relationships with men? Does any contact with cock put them into the bisexual box? And then that negate any same sex relationship they have as "not lesbian" regardless of their partner's penis touching status?

(I’d post links but it’s a very NSFW site!)

The forum data lounge has had a number of posts complaining about the numbers of cervix-havers on hook up apps such as Grindr.

Twitter user complaining that their trans status has reduced the amount of interest they get on Grindr

My ugly status would reduce the amount of interest I would get on dating apps, should I divorce my partner.

Gay men are starting to come under attack for "discriminatory dating preferences:

I find this article somewhat alarming - talk of "the 1 percent" has echoes of incel-style language.

Twitter user complaining that their trans status has reduced the amount of interest they get on Grindr

Thanks for the clarification @daimbars.

@CircleSquareCircleSquare I'm a biological, natal female assigned female at birth and so is my wife. Neither of us are attracted to men. Even posted my civil partnership on another thread! Apparently not good enough.

That screen shot isn't from the Transgender Alliance? It's a Facebook event created by an individual for a LGBT club night called Queer Qrush.

Yes that last joke was not in particularly good taste but you are really scraping the barrel if that is your 'evidence' of trans people inciting violence on lesbians!

"Two biological females in a relationship with each other.

It isn't homosexual if one of you is bisexual. "

I'm confused! Used to be that two females in a relationship was a homosexual relationship. If either or both also had relationships with males those (could be?) labelled heterosexual, since the label is for the mix of sexes in the relationship being referred to, which is different to the sexual orientation of the individual participants?

Although if two females wanted to call their relationship a bisexual relationship since they both were bisexual, that would be logical too. A lesbian in a relationship with a bisexual female, surely she gets to call her relationship a lesbian relationship if she wants to?

I'll go and draw a Venn diagram or such I guess...................

Yeah, note the 'we are terribly inclusive' rhetoric, whilst not being wheelchair accessible and threatening to hang TERFs.............

So, that would be not accessible and threatening violence against women, is the new (trans)inclusive then...............Or perhaps they think an event is inclusive and accessible if it identifies as such........................

Are you a trans woman @daimbars?

@Prawnofthepatriarchy are you happy that I call myself a lesbian? Seeing as I'm a biological female married to another biological female.

@CircleSquareCircleSquare I have no idea why @JuzzaL Feels like she knows my sexual orientation better than me but for some reason she thinks she does.

It's fair enough to have a debate and challenge me on whether trans women in a relationship with each other should call themselves lesbians. Why make it personal and challenge my own sexuality? It's very personal and very distasteful.