You are denying my existence

You cant make people see you a certain way just because you feel like it. It's like all those people on X factor who identify as amazing undiscovered talent despite being tone deaf, how they identify is irrelevant, the judges are going to say no.

I don't think the concept of authentic self is always helpful and can sometimes be harmful.

Me too, Bewilderness. My mum used to joke that the first word I learned wasn't "mummy" or "teddy" or whatever, it was "no".

They used to want us to put our fists in the air too. I wouln't do that either. I am a member in good standing of the recalcitrancy.

I would not have clapped for that horrid Tinkerbell.
I used to feel kinda bad about it when I was little.

It is a guilt trip, wishing to make everyone else centre a misogynistic dogma. The same kind of emotional manipulation that I hated as a child.. ‘quick! clap your hands to show you believe or Tinkerbell will DIE’.

By its own ‘logic’ this manipulative ‘argument’ would be equally applicable by women and transsexuals back to TRAs. We don’t use it because we know how pathetic it is. Most people prefer to use facts or political arguments to win their arguments and not to seek to just force our beliefs on others by manipulation, ostracism and silencing.

If the definition of “trans person” is “person who is a woman/man by virtue of feeling/saying that they are a woman/man” (substitute non-binary etc as applicable) then many people deny such people exist.

You have to be able to divorce existence from physical reality - it’s tricky.

I’d say the problem with the Catholicism analogy is that religious faith is in something external, whether that’s god or the specific ideas that separate one faith from another, but faith in gender identity is faith in an idea about yourself. I can see how that would translate to needing others to ‘believe’ in it too.

It’s the fundamental conflict between gender critical feminists and the core belief in gender which is necessary for transgender ideology. For those who believe, gender=soul=self, if you say gender doesn’t exist, the whole thing falls down, no gender=no soul=no self. I.e. denying their existence.

Transgender can’t just be dysphoria, it can’t be a mental disorder, it definitely can’t be a fetish, to say any of that denies their true ‘self’, their soul...

That’s why it’s a cult.

"exterminatory" rather than "exclusionary"
I have seen it used that way by some TRAs Eresh. Going back many years, not long after it was initially created in fact.

Radical Feminists excluded all males from Feminism.
1, We learned early on that they suck up all the time and attention.
You can see this on threads here and any Feminist conference.
2, Are sometimes there for nefarious purposes, the Hugos and Kyles.
3, Usually run to the head of the parade and assert their right to leadership.

I am impressed at the number of things that transgender advocates and MRAs now claim that Radical Feminists have the power to exclude their people from. All evidence to the contrary.

Once I researched the concept of thought terminating cliches I began to recognize them and the way they are used. Fascinating stuff, language.

Related is this outrageous, baseless claim that small groups of women meeting (I think the writer was referring to Bristol) "directly contributes" to a "huge escalation" in crime against trans people.

There has been no such escalation. Even if that part were true, the notion that small groups of women meeting is what is causing it is utterly ludicrous.

Accusations that we are as Hitler to the Jews!

So unbelievably insulting and triggering to those who lost family and loved ones in the Holocaust!

Some of them even say the "E" in the banned T acronym stands for "exterminatory" rather than "exclusionary"

Is that true? I don’t think I could possibly be more angry. I am outraged.

As someone who had ancestors die because of the mass extermination known in this country as the Potato Famine (which went on to impact several generations of my family) and who has a father in law in his seventies who still needs therapy because his own father was in an extermination camp in Poland, I am sickened by this implication. Utterly, utterly sickened. What laothesome behaviour. This use of language is nothing but a calculated and manipulative way to hold us ransom and vilify us all at once.

We don’t agree with your ideology and we are automatically guilty of extermination of a people?

How about fucking no.

I am terrified for my children who are navigating school at the moment. I am terrified for the life I am gestating currently. What world will they face in 5 years when they start school? Posters at bus stops telling people how to think, TV ads telling people they are mass murderers for not nodding along?

It's just emotive bullshit language that doesn't begin to stand up to scrutiny. People are being discouraged to think in any way deeply. It's also lazy and much easier.

Some of them even say the "E" in the banned T acronym stands for "exterminatory" rather than "exclusionary".

It's part of the narrative of "all women who disagree with us are Actual Literal Hitler". It's basically accusing gender-critical women of wanting to eradicate trans people.

We all know trans people exist. We just disagree entirely about what "trans" means.

YY bialystock.

Stop denying our existence by making us a subcategory of our own class.

YY!

juzza that's the key thing isn't it - they don't want to accept they have gender dysphoria.

I've really tried to work this out - what I think they mean is that they either truly believe (or have huge cognitive dissonance, or of course are cynically playing victim) that there is such an actual real scientific thing as a woman's soul/essence/brain/being "trapped" in a male body. So by pointing out this is unqualified bullshit translates to them as denying their existence.

I don’t think pineapple has any place on pizza, I am not denying it exists.

It's a thought terminating cliche intended to silence discussion and avoid having to justify your position.

This.

Also: welcome to gender, you nitwit. What did you think it was? Why did you think anyone would give a toss about your inner identity? Not giving a toss about the inner lives of women is gender. Being erased from consideration in all things is gender. Now you know.

As far as I can see, it's entirely analogous to someone claiming that I don't believe in the existence of Catholics because I don't believe in the Nicene Creed. Of course I believe in Catholics. I just don't share their beliefs.

Pretty much this.

Except the Nicene creed isn't specifically Catholic. Substitute transubstanciation or immaculate conception instead of Nicene Creed or Christians instead of Catholics (though not all Christians are happy with the Nicene Creed so the former option probably a better analogy)

But anyway yes I digress. Refusing to believe in someone's personal faith is not denying that person's existence. Refusing to believe in someone's personal faith is not the same as hating them, wanting them dead or wishing them any ill will whatsoever.

It's nowt more than them screeching #nodebate They think if the shout "you're denying my existence" we will feel guilty and not say anything else.

They don't know women with a bee in their bonnet.