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If I identified as trans - Eddie Izzard

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pombear · 17/06/2018 19:21

I'd be seriously concerned that this person who claims to represent the trans issue is making a hash of said issue, and politics in general:

twitter.com/LOLabourLive/status/1007980764321939457
"I'm a member of the NEC. I've been a member of the NEC for about two weeks now. And I'm running for re-election right now, that's how relection works right now. ...I believe we have a slogan for the Labour Party, For the Many, Not the Few [what, you just found out Eddie?]"

Eddie in another LabourLive clip talks about 100 years of suffragettes "women, or , er, and transgender people...'2018. the end of the first world war. and er, we exist. so if you ever get depressed about the global situation draw a graph of human rights from ancient Eyypt...."

I used to admire Eddie for reclaiming stereotypical 'women's' clothing to represent the bandwidth of male.

Eddie seems to have recently swallowed the transgender agenda, and then got so confused that Eddie's not able to put together a coherent speech that doesn't involve ice-cream, ancient Egypt or, well, erm, I'm not sure. (And yep, you can shout at me 'it's just humour' but the 25 people amassed by the stage didn't seem to think it was humour either!).

It's Sunday, I've had a glass of wine, and this thread may not make sense, but I used to be a) a Labour supporter, b) a trans 'ally' and c) an Eddie Izzard fan.

WTF happened in the last couple of years that excluded some females from the above?

(Rhetorical question for many women on this board!)

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balljuggla · 17/06/2018 21:31

We went to see Eddie do stand up a few years back and were so excited. His shows Dressed to Kill and Glorious were brilliant, he was pro-EU, the tickets were expensive and I'd also enjoyed a lot of his acting work. And as others have said, his challenge to traditional masculine norms was inspiring.

It was dire. He was often incoherent and kept going off on serious political tangents, including a massive fucking rant about Thatcher, who was dead. A lot of the audience were disappointed, judging from the mutterings on the way out.

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pombear · 17/06/2018 21:31

Journalists - wrong.

Women who've had a glass of wine -wrong.

Anyone who wants to debate the issue - wrong.

People who just love Eddie, cos 'fake news', none of you realise what he's really up against/wasn't prepared enough - right.

I'm all for fairness - was waiting since yesterday for the balanced clips that showed Eddie's speech that swooped skywardness out of that bumbling/non-preparedness into the subject area he had actually come to Labour Live to talk on.

It didn't happen.

Argumentative feel free to link to those bits of his speech. (I'll still be on my one glass of wine!)

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pombear · 17/06/2018 21:26

Ah, argumentative, thank you for that classic 'you've had too much to drink' argument.

So Eddie is rambling, not making sense, not connecting their arguments to politics, or even standard trans-debates, etc - oops, he was just 'unprepared'. Bless him. ?

You state that that's because he's opening a festival, and maybe not have been prepared for the political so, ahhh, bless him, forgive him his ramblings.

I point out that it's very unlikely, given PR, Labour comms, Eddie's PR team themselves, would have let him go on and ramble accidentally. Cos, you know, PR and stuff. And Eddie, as a celeb (!!) will have guidance.

But you, in Eddie's defence - tell me I'm not comprehensible cos of one glass of wine!

If I'd had five glasses, I would concede you're right, probs for the best not to debate me, but don't condescend me at one glass!

It's Eddie, not me, who's being incomprehensible at Labour Live!

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argumentativefeminist · 17/06/2018 21:09

You must have had more than one wine OP because none of what you're saying makes comprehensible sense to me let alone being able to debate with it 😂 which is probably for the best.

VaggieMight · 17/06/2018 21:04

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loveyouradvice · 17/06/2018 21:03

Another one who loved Eddie for expanding the bandwidth of what it meant to be male... depressing beyond measure

Ihuntmonsters · 17/06/2018 20:56

He's also a professional performer as well as his new politician role so surely wouldn't have been thrown by being in front of a crowd?

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pombear · 17/06/2018 20:56

The other thing argumentative that makes me the most sad.

So many of the arguments against womens' and girls' rights seem to assume that we're all buried in some world that doesn't understand 'you'.

(not that there's anything wrong with that, as we come from all diferrent worlds).

But i come from a world of comms, media, events, PR, and the BBC (Yep!) in my background.

So you can stop shitting around with 'you don't understand about 'Eddie's scheduled set' .

Sound checks. Interviews. Noddies. Press releases. Comms roles.
Spinning. All the fuck else.

There are many, many females on this board who have had fuck-loads of experience in the tv/PR./film/comms world who see you.

And all of those females who haven't had that experience, they're not 'thick', they don't not understand what's going on here.

We're here. Whether you're been raised in the media-world, or just seen it from the periphery.

The females see it.

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R0wantrees · 17/06/2018 20:55

twitter.com/LGBTLabour/status/999014442980511744

If I identified as trans - Eddie Izzard
noraclavicle · 17/06/2018 20:49

Eddie has got used to success and adulation. He found it harder than expected to get onto the NEC. Presumably he wants to be an MP. He’s going to take the easiest route he can find.

argumentativefeminist · 17/06/2018 20:47

We're going to go round in circles here because we have totally different opinions about Eddies representation of the trans community here and about the role of women and trans people in politics. I just thought I should elaborate on the immediate context for anyone who wasn't there incase it wasn't clear from the clips, so that people could take that information on board when making their decision. I wasn't trying to sway anyone either way, but a lack of situational context is what leads to fake news in all its forms, which is harmful for both sides of this debate.

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pombear · 17/06/2018 20:46

Ahh, argumentative I believe he was on the bill. So It's not like he was accidentally shoved on stage to say something, so someone else wasn't there.

Is that where we're going now?

Oops - didn't mean to be on stage, didn't mean what I said, someone else was going to say something, not me, not 'cos there weren't any people out in front? Was just pushed onto the stage cos I'm a nice person and wanted to say something to the (small) audience, didn't plan stuff??!!! Just accidentally being re-elected to the NEC. Whoops - Frank Spencer style?

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ballsballsballs · 17/06/2018 20:44

I remember the when Eddie Izzard identified as funny.

I hear you OP. I didn't bother voting in my local elections.

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pombear · 17/06/2018 20:42

I've just done a bit of relfection on the above. And it's really exciting for my job.

So that means, before I've prepared properly for a presentation, anything I say before that, if it's a bit unclear, a bit more ambiguous, it doesn't count?

Thank the fuck, as I'm often a bit all over the place before a formal presentation.

PS: Does that count for people like Theresa May too - if she's not doing something super-formal, she was just a bit 'wittering and filling the time' so thank fuck it didn't really mean anything?

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argumentativefeminist · 17/06/2018 20:40

I dont know what Eddie said later on as I wasn't there. I just thought it's unfair to claim that someone is "making a hash" out of something which tends to imply a sort of bumbling unpreparedness where you end up putting your foot in it, when they weren't actually anticipating having to be prepared.

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pombear · 17/06/2018 20:37

Ah, thanks argumentative. I was a bit confused. So you mean later on he just would have said stuff that didn't mean earlier stuff Hmm

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ReluctantCamper · 17/06/2018 20:35

i heard eddie izzard being a twat on the radio this week

'i just want to be an example to people. I want people to see me and think if he (? I think that's the pronoun izzard used) can be transgender in middle age then so can I' (I paraphrase slightly). Me me me.

Eddie mate, you used to display self awareness. what happened?

argumentativefeminist · 17/06/2018 20:33

Not getting into the gender business with you lot again but this wasn't part of Eddies scheduled set, just to be pedantic. It was wittering and not always very funny because Eddie was sent on to fill the time while a sound check took place for the band about to perform, I guess to keep the audience engaged. Gender politics aside, when put on the spot instead of reading a prepared statement/planned jokes, people will tend to say things that are less clear, more easily twisted and more ambiguous.

Picassospaintbrush · 17/06/2018 20:32

Women are politicking in their own name now. We don't need a party. We are doing it.

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pombear · 17/06/2018 20:15

Thanks Picasso - I'm a responder, not a starter usually. But I'm so cross about so many issues right now for women.

And yes, it's cyclical.

And I have no home right now, politically. Women (biological females) are being fucked over in so many ways.

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Picassospaintbrush · 17/06/2018 20:12

pombear - thanks for the thread, I was reading the paper. It's sad to see Labour so off.

Politics is so cyclical isn't it? I have only ever voted libdem (tactically) and they are now a shower of shite.

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pombear · 17/06/2018 20:02

I realise I may be talking to myself right now!

(Note to self: not always a good idea to start a new thread!)

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pombear · 17/06/2018 20:00

And I sit here in front a newspaper dated 1960 tonight.

"york police are still searching the motroist who enticed a seven-year-old girl into his car and assualted her in a wood near the city"

That is about sexual-based crime.

Not because that seven-year-old girl in 1960 'identified' as a girl.

Not because of '99 ice creams'. Not because of stereotpical clothing.

Because that seven year old girl was a girl.

Help us. Don't trample over us for your own agenda.

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pombear · 17/06/2018 19:49

And settles down to R4 gentle stuff tonight, after shouting at the internet.

First time I've ever started a thread I think.

Breathes!

And sends warm vibes to all the lovely gender critical people here, on twitter lurking on here, across the world. Just all of us who are fighting for women and girls' rights -and I mean that in the biological meaning of that word.

(Soz MN, been here years, hope you don't strike me for this thread. Your community saw me through baby stage, toddler stage, every stage after that. I'm pretty sure that this latest fight against women's rights has activated so many of us who you helped through these stages of mothering).

Sunday GRRRR!

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