Hostelling Scotland allows men to self ID as women and have access to women's dorms and shower rooms

essentially there are orgs that have been going around lobbying and persuading various women's and girls orgs (anyone know of any men changing their procedures rules etc?) that equalities laws mean they need to accept sex = gender and gender = whatever the person says it is and then they must accomodate them according to their stated gender else they are discriminating.

Exactly.

With GG they had had some "advice" from some of the usual sources and the result was

Trans girls are girls and so there are no safeguarding issues to consider and no need to inform parents about overnights etc

It's not possible for an under 18 to haave a GRC so that's not a consideration here

essentially there are orgs that have been going around lobbying and persuading various women's and girls orgs (anyone know of any men changing their procedures rules etc?) that equalities laws mean they need to accept sex = gender and gender = whatever the person says it is and then they must accomodate them according to their stated gender else they are discriminating.

This is all not true but there you have it.

Actually, super interested to hear of any mens orgs changing their protocols in these ways?

... anywhere ELSE

This is horrific when you consider who hostels' guests are. Students on holiday, possibly very young, possibly without the confidence to object to a potential predator in the dorm, possibly not completely fluent in English, probably not knowing what authorities to turn to, possibly without enough money to go anywhere if they feel uncomfortable.

I thought that these organisations, such as the youth hostel, were misinterpreting the EA....

That's what I mean Eresh - these groups are spreading the word that the law has been broken then? I understood this was in the pipeline and that there were proposals for the Guides etc - but are they actually saying you have broken the EA if you do not introduce self ID at the present time? Before it has been approved?

Thank you ManFriday. Utterly, utterly ridiculous.

And as for that patronising email to Macareux from YHA Scotland...

Sorry to hear of some sad experiences. The thing is, in this case it could be so easily solved. Most hostels have a mix of accommodation so just make the shared dorms strictly single-sex (as permitted under the Equality Act). And if you are trans and not comfortable with this, then policy should allow for a single room if booked in advance, at the same price.

Hostels do vary, there are quite a few small ones, so it won't always be possible. But then, not all hostels are suitable for all people anyway. Some are in old buildings so not wheelchair accessible, some are up mountains only reached by a long trek. But there's plenty to choose from, so just find one that suits your needs!

Check the wording of policies against the actual wording of the Equality Act list of protected characteristics. Turns out many of them have been changed in violation of the act without those who are charged with applying the regulations realizing it.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/4

Women and girls

Why on earth is it being introduced?

Because they are targeted by transactivists (Girl Guides, Swim England) and given advice that disregards and disrespects women as a protected sex class.

To the poster who mentioned this being a safeguarding issue for those under 18

It was me - and thank you, it would be great if you could come back and let us know the feedback on this from your next safeguarding session.

I am so, so grateful to Man Friday for doing this
Me too.
As are thousands of MN users.

Shame on you MNHQ for not sticking up for your core users.

To the poster who mentioned this being a safeguarding issue for those under 18, I agree. I attended safeguarding training about a month ago and the subject of trans didn't come up at all, but the scenarios that came up make me think that this would be a safeguarding issue. I assume companies would just say "but they identity as...". I have another safeguarding training session in a few weeks and will raise it then.

Why do so many organisations now all of a sudden think that the 2010 Equality act means Self ID? (Actually I know the answer to that one). And why were they happy to ignore it for so long if they now think it means cocks in women’s dorms?

Exactly!! It looks to me like the Government needs to issue clarification on this matter - it hasn't been approved yet! Why on earth is it being introduced? If anything these places may be breaking the law by misinterpreting the EA Act.

Also to say that this is NOT any kind of ‘all transwomen are..’ thing. As I’ve pointed out on many other threads, this policy lets MEN in. If every transwoman on the planet is a saint, it doesn’t matter, because the policy lets any man who wants to in.

And as we all know - a proportion of men are a danger to women. And to transwomen too!

Transformer I thought you'd put this deliberately and sniggered to myself

I thought you were imaginatively avoiding the thought crime police

I'm another one whose first solo holiday was youthhostelling - age 17, extremely innocent, bicycling in Wales with a mate.... lots of banter with the lads in the kitchen as we cooked, and glad to escape to the single-sex zone to sleep and RELAX... feeling safe... which we certainly wouldn't have done with some one male-bodied in the next bed.

I am also a woman who was attacked (attempted rape) while in a solo hospital room....

I do NOT trust men however they identify... the only thing that protects me now (ironically) is my age.... but I have a teenage daughter who I would like to be able to go out into the world as confidently as I did, knowing that in the main there are safeguards to protect her as a young woman

TRANSWOMEN!!! Damn you predictive text!!

Why do so many organisations now all of a sudden think that the 2010 Equality act means Self ID? (Actually I know the answer to that one). And why were they happy to ignore it for so long if they now think it means cocks in women’s dorms?

My family used YHs extensively when I was a kid - my mum and I in ththe female dorms. Not going to be doing that with my kids.

Yeah I just did the same Sarah. Vicky has quite the history of making sure everyone knows about 'men's rights' and how unfair life is for men.

I've just had a look at some of vickys contributions elsewhere. Vicky quite cleary hates women, especially those Vicky deems feminists.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel
Oh thats horrible poor you.
I used to go youth hosteling as a teenager with my two friends. We thought we were so grown up and had a great time.My mum would never have let me go if there were boys in the same bedroom. It makes me really cross to think young women will not be able to have the same opportunity now.