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Gardening and women's rights?

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SuperLoudPoppingAction · 17/06/2018 15:54

There are three things keeping me relatively sane at the moment. One being discussion with like-minded women who are passionate about women's rights, another being (surprisingly, as I am dysphraxic and a bit crap at it) swimming.
The most reliable, though, is being out in my garden. I love being in nature generally. If I had more energy I'd like to go on walks more, but I've been fairly knackered lately.

The cyclical nature of planting, growing, harvesting etc feels very significant to me.
Also, the fact that I can make mistakes and that everything will still basically be ok is so lovely. It's an antidote to anxiety that I feel with loads of other stuff.

I've had such lovely conversations with women about gardening. One woman gave me some of her tiny gooseberries from her allotment and I made chutney with them. Another woman told me that parsley only thrives in a household run by a woman.

Alice Walker talks a lot about gardening. alicewalkersgarden.com/2010/10/in-search-of-our-mothers-garden/
Susan Brownmiller [[http://www.nycitywoman.com/the-feminist-gardener/]]
I love this as well. www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2015/03/margery_fish_s_we_made_a_garden_is_a_feminist_manifesto_disguised_as_a_gardening.html
"a harmonious, informal, frothing sort of a garden, its borders filled with “green” flowers, its shady corners crammed with hellebores, primroses, epimediums, and, most important of all, her beloved snowdrops."

I keep thinking about how important it is to experience a Space of One's Own. Even if it's a terrarium with a couple of air plants in it (like in my last house, where the garden was not private enough for me to enjoy it).

It's not going to revolutionise gender politics in itself, but is nurturing a connection to nature something that anyone else connects with feminist politics?

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ProfYaffle · 17/06/2018 19:07

Oh my goodness!

I've had allotments for the last 8 years. I've always commented on how men and women garden very differently. The men on site tend to approach it like a job, it's all rules, straight lines and ruthless discipline. Women tend to have much more fruit and variety, unruly flowers, clemetis growing up a fence for the hell of it, and they are much more ready to experiment with new fangled ideas like lazy beds.

I'm a bit shocked to see how closely this aligns to Margery Fish. I must get that book!

LangCleg · 17/06/2018 18:58

You nurture, feed, weed etc and the plant/animal simply responds with growth. In a complicated world it's so compelling.

This is exactly it.

SarahCarer · 17/06/2018 18:57

I love a good chat about gardening. All the women in my family love gardening and it's part of how we bond.

boldlygoingsomewhere · 17/06/2018 18:51

I have found my people! Grin

Love time spent in my garden. I find it very soothing and there is still something quite magical about the process.

My aim when my daughter is grown up and moved out, is to create a medieval physic garden. Herb lore from that time fascinates me and the garden was very much part of the housewife’s domain.

Norther · 17/06/2018 18:44

Splandy I know how you feel with regard to struggling to find people in everyday life who share feminist values. I think one of the attractions with nature is the uncomplicated nurturing role - no backchat etc. You nurture, feed, weed etc and the plant/animal simply responds with growth. In a complicated world it's so compelling.
I am also motivated a bit by the whole survivalist thing. Theres a name for it which I cant remember. I think that for me has to do with being a mother and feeling responsibility for your child and fear for all the things that can and do go wrong in the world.
In terms of producing a glut and an easy first plant you cant go wrong with chilli peppers.

TERFragetteCity · 17/06/2018 18:41

I've been into gardening since I was little so no way would I accept any mansplaining about plants.

Get an allotment. They cannot help themselves. I usually bark stuff back at them and they scuttle off but the next week, they will just try it again.

My best was 2 weeks ago, one came around my car [which I park to block them from wandering over] and started to say something and I just said 'Not tonight, I've come here for some peace and quiet'. He hasn't been back thankfully. Tosspot.

ErrolTheDragon · 17/06/2018 18:26

Damsons are lovely in a crumble.

ErrolTheDragon · 17/06/2018 18:22

Thanks lass, but they only seem to be medium or large. (Probably it's sizeism more than sexism. Grin)

I shall report back if the ones I've ordered from amazon do the job for small person versus big brambles.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 17/06/2018 18:21

I do quite like his fruit book.I haven't read many books by men at all since about 2010 but cook books are sometimes an exception.

I have a tree in my new garden which is looking like maybe a damson or possibly plum tree. I wonder if he has made pronouncements on damsons. I can only think of jam. It's a good tree though. I rescued it from some rude ivy with personal space issues.

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Splandy · 17/06/2018 18:19

Can I join in too? I find feminism difficult in real life. I have no friends or family who share my views. I find reading without being able to do anything positive makes me feel down and I almost want to slip back into ignorance of the issues so I don't have to face them and think about them. The garden always lifts me up. I am still only a beginner and have young children which means I can't devote much time to it. My mom is a gardener too and I feel like we've found a new way to bond and be connected. I know exactly what a previous poster meant about watching the birds. When my depression was at its worst I didnt move much and often felt like the walls were closing in on me. Sitting near the window and watching the birds reminded me that the world was still carrying on out there, no matter how bleak and hopeless my internal world seemed. I no longer struggle in the same way but feeding and watching the birds makes me feel content and connected to the world.

LangCleg · 17/06/2018 18:15

Yabvu langcleg about the idea of a rhubarb glut.

LOL! Hugh Fearnley-Thingummybob usually gets right up my nose but he's very good on multiple uses for rhubarb!

ChickenMe · 17/06/2018 18:09

I love gardening. I'm mad about wild flowers and creating a garden that attracts beneficial insects. I looked earlier at everything in bloom and felt really accomplished

I've been into gardening since I was little so no way would I accept any mansplaining about plants. DH helps with "large things" but has no interest.

I feel connected to nature this way. It's odd but I can get a vibe about a type of plant eg

Where it would do well
Whether it would be attractive to slugs
How much water it needs

I can spend all day out there and sod the world

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 17/06/2018 18:07

Yabvu langcleg about the idea of a rhubarb glut. No such thing. The juice is so lovely in gin with cloudy apple juice.

I have planted some but it's currently 3 teeny spindly bits. No chance of eating any this year I don't thing even if it survives.

I'm currently wondering what would grow under a walnut tree because I want one soo much.
Rhubarb is categorized as an emo plant (likes the dark) so it was on my list of potentials.

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LassWiADelicateAir · 17/06/2018 18:05

Mind you, there's sexism in gardening - I can't find a pair of small properly thorn proof gloves. Any recommendations?

I have a pair I bought years ago from Laura Ashley.

They still make them.

www.gardendivas.co.uk/product-category/brands/laura-ashley-garden/

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 17/06/2018 18:04

www.amazon.co.uk/Witches-Midwives-Contemporary-Classics-Feminist/dp/1558616616/ref=mp_s_a_1_7?ref=plSrch&keywords=barbara+ehrenreich&dpPl=1&dpID=51yBHiYkqzL&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&tag=mumsnetforum-21&ie=UTF8&qid=1529254829&sr=8-7

Horrible link.
Barbara ehrenreich book about witches and midwives which has been on my wishlist for about a decade.

I remember being fascinated by healing herbs as a teenager and also foraging.

Yesterday I found a teeny sprig of wood sorrel in a shady bit of my garden which was exciting.

There's a weed pile I haven't managed to deal with and I was feeling quite down about it until I realized a thrush was bringing her young family to it so they could find woodlice and slugs. Feeding birds is lovely.
This is the first garden where I've installed a bird bath. Very exciting. I can't actually see it from indoors yet but they're chilled enough to visit when I sit out.

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LangCleg · 17/06/2018 18:02

On growing food - I like the gluts! For a few weeks every year, I'm like fuck me, I've got a rhubarb mountain again. And I stew it and crumble it and chutney it and smoothie it and then, suddenly, no more rhubarb for another year. But then it's fuck me, I've got a tomato mountain again and it's all about what you can do with a mountain of tomatoes. So I get to bring the garden indoors. I genuinely find it truly satisfying.

Thank you for starting this thread, OP!

ErrolTheDragon · 17/06/2018 17:58

I'm 5'1"with hands to match - men's riggers completely swamp/fall off/leave no manual dexterity. But I've just had a search online and found something which claims to be small ladies riggers so hopefully better than the offerings at garden centres/DIY stores. (My garden isn't that much of a jungle, but I've been doing some volunteering at a local nature reserve - serious brambles, very invigorating!)Grin

Totally agree with the therapeutic power of garden birdwatching too. DH got me a most excellent birthday present at the start of the year, a pole-type feeder arrangement for the patio (the bird table at the bottom of the garden unfortunately had become a rat magnet).
Currently I've got loads of youngsters - not sure how clear this photo is but a few of the slightly fluffy blue tits and a juvenile goldfinch.

Gardening and women's rights?
bluerunningshoes · 17/06/2018 17:39

eryri that's witchcraft Wink
absolutely belongs to feminism chat

LastGirlOnTheLeft · 17/06/2018 17:38

That has to be the loveliest opening post I have ever read. I love nature - not so much the garden as DH tends to take care of that, but just being in the countryside. I find the life there, so unaware of humans for the most part and just going about their work, their job of growing and thriving, so soothing. I love the air and the water and trees and animals...

I can forget people exist. I'm lucky that I live quite remotely, surrounded by beauty and each day I wake the world feels pure and good. I love that feeling. It doesn't last too long. As soon as I check FWR over morning coffee I am reminded soon enough of the evil out there.

CillaBlackSurpriseSurprise · 17/06/2018 17:37

I enjoy listening to nature, when human noise allows.

BeUpStanding · 17/06/2018 17:33

LangCleg You're exactly right about time passing differently when you're gardening. It's quite magical.

Eryri2018 · 17/06/2018 17:31

The 3 things making my maternity leave truly great (other than my amazing DD) are gardening, feminism chat/ debate - keeping my brain ticking over, and long walks in the sunshine with my dog (and DD of course).

bluerunningshoes it is one of my long term goals to grow a medicinal herb garden...incase of collapse of modern civilisation or zombie apocalypse!!

Norther · 17/06/2018 17:29

I have planted a couple of apple trees. There is something miraculous about a tiny twig producing a huge juicy apple. It doesn't seem credible.

PhilODox · 17/06/2018 17:22

[pulls up a kneeler to get comfy]
There a great book by Barbara Kingsolver about growing her own food- Animal, vegetable, miracle.

Also, a good book about the circle of life/growing is The Living Mountain by Nan Shepherd.

TERFragetteCity · 17/06/2018 17:14

I grow an Amelanchier outside the back door just for the blackbird who is all over it for 10 days each year picking off each berry one by one.

I also grow loads of herbs, to chop back and put in my compost as they make it smell nice. I know, I know, I went too far.

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