Trans rights supporters -can we please unite on the cervical cancer issue

a situation where it's considered more important to validate an identity than to take life saving health measures

And yet from your posts on the subject it appears you find it more important to invalidate an identity than to take life saving health measures.

Saying everyone with a cervix, is literally.... wait for it..... EVERYONE with a cervix

It is crystal clear that the guidance is trying to cover everyone who needs a smear

It isn't crystal clear. You are assuming everyone knows what a cervix is and that is a big assumption. The equivalent for prostate cancer simply refers to "men" not anyone with a prostate.

Truly inclusive language for cervical cancer would be "women, trans men and anyone with a cervix" . For prostate cancer "men, trans women and anyone who has a prostate gland"

It is not like for example pancreatic or bowel cancer where everyone has a pancreas or bowels.

It hurts no one to expand the language to make it clear what a cervix is.

Lass, totally agree with you. There should be no conflict in using language that speaks to as many ‘people with a cervix’ as possible.

Most people seem to be in broad agreement that the most efficient way of doing this is via some kind of ‘women AND’ phrasing.

I don’t want any cervix-haver to miss out on potential life saving screening.

Anyone that says it’s fine to exclude the word ‘women’ entirely is showing their educational privilege, in my opinion.

This is one arena in which there really need not be conflict. No one actually wants women or transmen to die of cervical cancer, do they?

Cancer Research UK have done a silly, and it needs correcting.

*It doesn't matter how hard we try to comply. The massive problem is that transactivists have created a situation where it's considered more important to validate an identity than to take life saving health measures. This applies across the board. They can stop it, any time, by readjusting priorities.

This, they will not do.*

Gender critical feminists have created a situation where it is considered more important to invalidate an identity that to take life saving health measures. This applies across the board. They can stop it, any time, by readjusting priorities.

This, they will not do...

It doesn't matter how hard we try to comply. The massive problem is that transactivists have created a situation where it's considered more important to validate an identity than to take life saving health measures. This applies across the board. They can stop it, any time, by readjusting priorities.

This, they will not do.

Hmm, well I certainly wouldn't be adding the words 'non-binary' because that nonsense needs zero encouragement. Even if someone identifies as non-binary, if they truly don't know their birth sex then their problems are way bigger than the failure to interpret an advert.

Transmen must also be acutely aware of their biology otherwise they would not be trying to identify out of it.

I think it should just say 'women' and as a separate thing the NHS should publish a reminder that people who identify as transgender should still attend screenings relevant to their birth sex. (Because they will never change sex).

The nhs needs to get across to people that no matter what gender you think you are, if you have a cervix you are st risk.

Prostate cancer needs similar messaging

To be honest the manufactured outrage by transphobes is bordering on insane.

Saying everyone with a cervix, is literally.... wait for it..... EVERYONE with a cervix.

It is crystal clear that the guidance is trying to cover everyone who needs a smear.

The frankly insulting levels of whataboutery when it concerns something as insidious as cancer, and GC 'feminists' threatening to withhold donations from a charity because their transphobia takes precedent over everything else will 'peak' people, and not in the way GC 'feminists' are aiming for.

I'm struggling to see what the objection is to "women and trans men " or "women, trans men and people with a cervix".

The only trans person I know is a trans man. I suspect "person with a cervix" would not resonate with him.

A Public Service Announcement: Even if you no longer have a cervix, you should still consider having a smear as cervical cells and the surrounding cells are not well-differentiated.

That was the advice given to me by the consultant who performed my hysterectomy due to cervical cancer.

I don’t think there is anything wrong wuth the message as it stands.

Transactivists could defuse and fix this right now. A message from Stonewall saying: transfolx need to be aware that while your identity is valid, it should not override your health need. When it comes to life saving checks, put the pronouns to one side. You are still who you are'.

They could. They won't.

Women and anyone with a cervix.

Only women have cervixes. If you have a cervix, you are a woman. If you once had a cervix, you are a woman.

Publicity material can say:
'This applies to everyone born female'

But transactivists have created a situation where males say they did not transition but were born female, that their penises are female. They have created a situation where females say they were born male.

Feminists did not create this problem and we can't fix it. Transactivists created this problem and they can fix it, by not putting their transactivism ahead of women's lives.

placemats most do yes. What's that got to do with this thread? I'm not continuing that discussion here.

I agree that women and transmen who decide to keep their internal reproductive organs cover it.

Males do not have a cervix.

You are trying to claim victimhood, and blame feminists, for a situation entirely created by transactivism.

Doesn't the GP have to know natal sex anyway in order to interpret blood test results and all sorts of things like that? The reference ranges are going to be different, and even hormonal treatment isn't going to change all of that.

Transmen are even more likely to fail to attend screening than women

And if the route to improving that is to include them in documentation without erasing women then IMO it's worth doing to save lives. I'm aware of the view that we shouldn't support a belief at odds with physical reality, but I'm not going to put that above preventing deaths.

Supermatchgame

Do you agree that all transwomen have a prostate? (To remove a healthy prostate would lead to urinary incontinence).

The fault lies with those who have told them that the word 'woman' does not apply to them. Accept responsibility for what the trans movement has created.

What is wrong with women and transmen? That covers it.