Would you have transitioned if you were a child today?

Sexuality is more complicated, sexual orientation isn't.

Oh sorry, I meant sexual orientation is a tad bit more complicated than the labels "gay", "straight", "lesbian" and "bisexual".

Because it is.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KINSEY_SCALE

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klein_Sexual_Orientation_Grid

No.
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No.
100% No.

I was a tomboy back in the day.
Thank fuck I had NORMAL LOVING PARENTS who realised I was just a tomboy and i was allowed to grow up as I wished.

Today, I am a very happy woman, who is a mother to 3 children. Yes, I'm still a tomboy. but I didn't have dickwad parents who would have encouraged me onto the hormone therapy trans pathway.
Thankyou to my wonderful parents.

Thanks for not failing me.

Why would it be obvious daim? No reason a bisexual woman (dictionary definition) couldn't be married to a lesbian (dictionary definition) or another bisexual woman. You define who your pool of potential partners is but language defines the word for that type of attraction. The problem here is we have a major disagreement on language because I say (as does my dictionary) that woman means biological sex female, but you I think are saying it means something quite different from that.

I agree with Kinsley (?spelling) that sexuality is a continuum (unlike sex which is binary unless you are one of the

I think human sexuality is a tad bit more complicated than the labels "gay", "straight", "lesbian" and "bisexual". There was a thread around here not long back about it; titled something vaguely goady like, "is homosexuality innate?", but actually it was quite good.

Perhaps it needs resurrecting in order to spare this thread for the OP?

@JuzzaL am I still allowed to call myself a woman or are you going to hound me on every thread calling me a liar about that as well?

No worries @catkind apology accepted, although being married to another natal women should have given the game away really.

As an aside, it makes pretty uncomfortable reading that lesbians are now being dictated to who they should and should not be attracted to by both TRAs and GC feminists. Surely it's an individual's right to declare her own sexuality, not for others to label her.

I think people who transition don't think hard enough about the fact that

1. You can't actually change sex. There is a LOT of wishful thinking and magical thinking involved.
2. If you become transgender you drastically reduce your pool of potential mates. There are far more men or women who want to have a relationship with an effeminate man than those of either sex wanting a relationship with a transgender person.

Hey thanks @RatRolyPoly I had to go away and bang my head on a brick wall so I'm pleased you stood up to the playground bullies for me

Just informed the wife we no longer fit the criteria for being lesbians and apparently we are both bisexual now, despite neither of us being remotely attracted to men. It gave us a laugh anyway so thanks for that!

Apologies, I didn't realise you had excluded males from your set of possible partners daim, I assumed as you see transwomen as women and you're attracted to women that you'd consider them as partners. Gosh it'd be useful to have a term for biological women exclusively attracted to other biological women wouldn't it? The tangles our language gets into when woman no longer means woman and lesbian no longer means lesbian. Wouldn't it be simpler all round if we kept woman and lesbian to their current dictionary meanings and added new terms for trans people and attraction to trans people? All of which is rather far from the topic of this thread.

Men calling themselves lesbians and trying to shame lesbians into having sex with them is gross rapey, bullying tactic.

Indeed, anyone who does that is bang out of order.

There's more than one way to bully a lesbian.

Im not sure i would have transitioned, but i have wondered, as i have always been political and militant, and it could have easily been something i got carried away with

An interesting thing I have noticed is the most vociferous opponents to gay equality often come from devout Christians who admitted having homosexual tendencies in their youth.

I’ve also noticed women who could possibly have transitioned in their youth are now the strongest opponents to the trans ideology

The difference is that, when you declare yourself to be homosexual or heterosexual or bisexual or what have you, you can explore and change your mind as often as you like. There is nothing irreversible abut it.

Whereas transitioning to a different gender involves a highly traumatic, practically irreversible physical intervention. It involves preventing your body from doing what it naturally wants to do and forcing it into a different shape. Which in some cases is indeed what the person needs and wants. But in many cases it's something that the person may regret.

There's nothing wrong with making people wait until they are of legal age to take such a hugely important decision. Allowing, or even forcing children into making such decisions is obscene.

By that same logic am I not allowed to call myself a woman because I don't mind trans women calling themselves women?!

Yeah, that's usually next.

So lesbian/bisexual is just the "can someone with a penis be female" argument poorly disguised.

It's a stange and uncomfortably personal way to approach the argument though, don't you think? To repeatedly take someone's opinion and use it to batter their sexuality - their sexuality ffs, that intensely intimate defining characteristic - and instead of having them defend their argument on the one hand, to instead make them defend their sexuality on the other is a gross bullying tactic.

Hang on so you are saying despite the fact I am in a same sex relationship, and only attracted to people of the same sex, I am still not allowed to refer to myself as being in a lesbian relationship because I don't mind that trans women call themselves lesbians too?

I thought feelings didn't matter and biology was everything?!

By that same logic am I not allowed to call myself a woman because I don't mind trans women calling themselves women?!

Obviously if you are currently with a female partner but are also potentially attracted by males then you are bisexual. So lesbian/bisexual is just the "can someone with a penis be female" argument poorly disguised.

Definitely - I would have been on hormones by 12, even if I had to steal them. Would have saved myself all sorts of problems later like having beard removal.

Daimbars, you'll find JuzzaL doesn't have her own definition of the word "lesbian". Her definition - female homosexual - is what the word has always meant. It doesn't include anyone male.

A GRC isn't a magic wand and to relabel sex between two members of the opposite biological sex as "lesbian" is pure role play. Nothing wrong with playing pretend, or dressing up, but it's not the same as a sexual orientation and it doesn't change the meaning of words. It doesn't clothe the emperor either.

It is possible and it's a really scary to think about. I hated the girly stuff imposed on me as a child.