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Would you have transitioned if you were a child today?

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isabeltydoria · 17/06/2018 09:25

This question was asked on another forum, but I wanted to copy my answer here too and ask it here too (I hope that's okay?)

Would you have transitioned if you were a child today?

Just a yes or no would be interesting if you don't feel like commenting further; I'll put my (long!) reply into a comment.

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cistersofterfy · 18/06/2018 08:49

I think I might have done, yes.

I loved being mistaken for a boy before I started school so around age 3/4. I remember people calling me a lad/ chap etc when out with my mum shopping and being pleased about that. I refused skirts and dresses and anything 'girly', wore boys clothes, not just non-feminine girls clothes, had short hair, rode my bike around and played football.

I would say that this persisted in some form until my early 20s. I did STEM A-levels, went into a very male dominated career, dressed in trousers - all very sex non-specific but I used to do all the 'do you have a male or female brain' nonsense quizzes and I WANTED to have a male brain. I thought male was better and I dismissed everything feminine as lesser. A work colleague once inadvertently called me he and it confused both of us but I was also pleased.

Anyway, thank god I grew out of all that. Not sure why or how but I did.

I don't think I would ever have agreed to any surgery. It wasn't a body issue so much as a rejection of 'femininity' and imposed gender roles. But perhaps I might have been open to taking hormones. Who knows? Luckily it never came up.

Oh, and at the age of 40, I was diagnosed as having an autism spectrum condition so that might have been a factor all along.

JoyTheUnicorn · 18/06/2018 08:20

I didn't have dickwad parents who would have encouraged me onto the hormone therapy trans pathway

I don't think this is fair.
Not everyone will have an understanding of identity politics, and as such, not everyone will be able to make a truly informed choice, because the information at their hands is Mermakds or school whose protocol is to affirm the child's choices.
This is a societal issue.
When people can't be openly gender critical because it can threaten their jobs/studies/fa,ily life, the narrative that is easier to access becomes "transwomen are women" "you can change sex" etc, and as this is seen as the progressive thing to support, plenty of people will blindly accept this without question. Which is why it's so easy to peak trans people.

RatRolyPoly · 18/06/2018 07:51

The Kinsey scale says you very much can be exclusively gay or exclusively straight Lass.

LinoleumBlownapart · 18/06/2018 03:55

Posted before I finished. Maybe I would have been happy but the thought that I would not have given "me" time to become comfortable in my skin is terrifying!

LinoleumBlownapart · 18/06/2018 03:52

Absolutely, it's for that reason that I feel so strongly about it. Maybe I would have been happy

DistanceCall · 18/06/2018 03:33

Actually, the assumptions underlying the idea that non-gender-conforming children should undergo sex reassignment procedures seem pretty backward.

A girl doesn't want to do "girly" things, is tomboyish, doesn't like pink? Then she must be a boy in a girl's body!

A boy likes playing with dolls, experimenting with makeup, and wearing tutus now and then? Then he must be a girl in a boy's body!

It's an incredibly reductionistic ideology, when you think about it.

thebewilderness · 18/06/2018 01:42

I was called a tomboy. I would not transition. I was a horse crazy little girl and loved all animals.
I was angry about the things adults and boys said I could not do because of being a girl. Particularly when I was better at them than the boys were.
The thing is I did not exclusively like boy coded things. I didn't want to play with dolls but I loved playing with horses. Not significantly different from the ways that my grandchildren use dolls/action figures.
The act of limiting a child's imagination is an act of cruelty.

bd67th · 18/06/2018 00:24

Drumknott: I don’t think an utter phobia of being pregnant or a female feeling like they should have been born a gay male is that common tbh.

I have the former and, for the first 30 years of my life, the latter too. I decided to be child-free at age 13, asked my mum at age 6 whether cutting my hair short would make me a boy, started periods at 8 and was sexually assaulted at 9. If someone like Mermaids had told me that I could be a boy, I'd have jumped at it to escape girlhood hell, sexist stereotyping, and sexual objectification. I still sometimes involuntarily visualise myself myself as male during sex or masturbation. I also have a crapton of internalised misogyny that I am working my way through: I am not and never can meaningfully be an "honorary man" because men will revoke that status as soon as I'm at all inconvenient. And what's wrong with being a woman, other than the huge bags of fat on my chest that get in the way, periods, pregnancy risk, and how women are treated by others on the basis of our sex? If I wasn't treated like a sex object or bimbo, I would find the breasts tolerable. The periods and pregnancy risk are fixable with a frameless levonorgestrel IUD. The clitoris is certainly a delightful benefit of this body, that I might had compromised by genital surgery had I transitioned.

2rebecca · 17/06/2018 23:53

The Kinsey scale doesn't erase bisexuality. I think it normalises it by saying many people have a degree of bisexuality.
I don't care what sex of person someone is attracted to. I think that's their business and for most people that isn't the most important thing about them.
I do care about people claiming to be the opposite sex

SweetGrapes · 17/06/2018 23:13

No. Not me. I wanted the boy stuff because that was all the good stuff but I hated boys - never wanted to be one.

But my sister insisted she was a boy for years. She would have gone for the puberty blockers, surgery... everything. Thank god she was born then and not now.

Yambabe · 17/06/2018 23:02

No. I was a tomboy. I preferred things that, in the 1970s, were considered "boys things".

But I never wanted to be a boy, I was never in doubt of my own femaleness. I just wanted the freedom to be able to do boy stuff as well as girl stuff. I couldn't understand why certain things were "for boys" and I was excluded from them.

LassWiADelicateAir · 17/06/2018 22:27

The male , gay friends with whom I have discussed the idea that no one is 100% gay or straight were entirely unconvinced. As I am. No one seeks to deny some people are bisexual- so why do some people insist no one can be 100% heterosexual or homosexual?

I greatly admired Stevie Nicks when I was a teenager - but I wanted to look like her/be her- not sleep with her. There are many women I think are beautiful and stylish but again I would want to copy their looks. I have no sexual attraction to them.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 17/06/2018 22:21

although being married to another natal women should have given the game away really

Well not really

JuzzaL · 17/06/2018 22:01

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dickxydoraxx · 17/06/2018 21:55

I can't help thinking that the parents of today who have been brainwashed by the transactivist groups into making their children take hormone blockers etc, will possibly regret it in the future and their children will HATE them, and think ''why did you not protect me and guide me instead of pandering to the latest trend'

Hmmm

RatRolyPoly · 17/06/2018 21:52

I think you just wet yourself, Rat.

Nah, I had c sections. And I do my kegels.

RatRolyPoly · 17/06/2018 21:51

A lot of bisexual people don't like having their sexuality erased

And a lot of them don't like having it equating to being actually straight (you know, what with only being interested in having longterm relationships with men) but feeling sufficiently attracted to women for "fun". Cos in anybody's book, calling that "bisexual" takes the piss out of bi people's sexuality just a tiny bit, don't you think?

I agree with daim, sexual orientation can only be self-determined.

mancheeze · 17/06/2018 21:48

I don't think my working class parents would've transed me even tho I showed many GNC tendencies that in today's culture, might've qualified.

I was athletic and strong and spent all day out in the woods but had long hair. I don't think my parents would've entertained the idea that I was a boy. I didn't like wearing dresses although I would on holidays.

I think my working class background would've saved my ass from being dragged to a gender clinic. My parents would've probably thought gender clinics were money pits since both my parents were Independent voters in the US and were Nader fans (consumer protection savvy)

JuzzaL · 17/06/2018 21:43

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daimbars · 17/06/2018 21:29

Basically a person is out of order for defining their own sexuality. The only person who has authority on the matter is @JuzzaL

RatRolyPoly · 17/06/2018 21:29

Lol at a lesbian pissing all over bisexual people.

2blueshoes · 17/06/2018 21:29

I was a tomboy of the 70's. Liked playing with my neighbours action man, climbing trees, dungarees were my clothes of choice, hated dresses. But I never wanted to be a boy, I wouldn't have known what transitioning was. I grew out of this as I approached my teenage years.

So I'm glad I didn't know what it was, I'm glad my parents didn't assume I was a boy trapped in a girls body. It worries me that people could be quick to jump on the bandwagon.

Been with DH 33 years, 3 children.

RatRolyPoly · 17/06/2018 21:28

a bisexual woman mostly attracted to women is still bisexual

I've slept with women, I would again. But I'm not bisexual. I couldn't have the same longterm, committed sexual relationships with women that I have with men. I was a teenager at the time when we were taught that this sort of incidental "soft" same-sex attraction does not make one bi; and that that would be offensive to those who are genuinely equally bisexual. And I think that's right, actually.

JuzzaL · 17/06/2018 21:26

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