Spreading the idea that everyone has a gender identity

Why are other cults not given opportunity, government and charity funds to push their ideology? I am grateful that this doesn't happen regularly, or does it?

There will be a public backslash. The charity CEO types who are publicly pushing this, will take the blame, have both been women. The men in the background will carry on.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-5850497/Tyranny-minorities-live-age-mob-rule-minorities.html

Gender identity is a synonymous concept to soul.

I'm an atheist, not a religionist or a cultist. I don't have a gender identity because they don't exist. Human beings have sexes, personalities and socialised behaviours. That's it. Transgression against socialised behaviours isn't evidence of a soul separate from the body. The belief in the separation of mind and body is called dualism. It's a faith-based, science-denying belief.

Dysphoria exists. People with dysphoria need services and healthcare and society needs to protect them from discrimination. This has nothing to do with the above religious beliefs.

I don’t have a “gender identity”. I am a woman, that is to say an adult human of the female sex. I have a personality with many innate, constant traits that I was born with. I have knowledge and skills that my path on this earth have taught me, both because other people believed I should learn some things and because I wanted to learn things. I am 52 so have mostly completely forgotten anything other people decided I should learn in favour of things I myself value.

I dress the way I want (which may include in part wanting to please others, as I respect those I love). I live the way I want.

*If they did, would we take it seriously?”

Well, remember how feeling black went for Rachel Dolezal?

I’ve always felt an affinity for Scandinavian culture, and think that I would have been happier if I had been born to Danish parents. I’m aware enough to understand that simply moving to Denmark would not suddenly make me Danish, and there would be times where I would always be viewed as an outsider, as I haven’t had the cultural upbringing that is quite unique to that part of the world.

No 'gender identity' here. No innate sense that being a woman fits, or feels right, or that I would be really uncomfortable if someone used male pronouns for me.
Only the experience of having female biology and having always been treated as a 'woman'. The latter being something that I have fought against, because who wants to be seen as lesser?

Can you tell us what a gender identity is Bespin? Then we can tell you whether we have one or not.

Gender is part of our identity in the same way religion, nationality and social class are. It's socialised into us. So the idea that someone can be 'assigned the wrong gender identity at birth' is nonsense. Could someone be 'assigned British' but have a strong inborn sense of being French, for instance? If they did, would we take it seriously?

I've been forced into a gender role of carer by society and a slightly sexist dp but I'm not naturally feminine. My morality makes me kind and supportive to the person I'm looking after but if I had a choice I'd be doing something mathematical in an office.

My dad worked in the nhs. He's very heterosexual, but also caring and empathetic (feminine). At home he does diy but not housework (masculine) so I'm not sure what his gender identity is either. Perhaps I need to tell him he's gender fluid?

We're all different. There is not set way for males and females to behave.

I've yet to see an evidenced based definition of gender ID. I don't have one, as far as I know. OTOH my body never stops reminding me that I'm female.

Also personality and body here. Do not have a gender. I am me in my female body. Liking what I like, being who I am.

Ooh I feel proud if that ends up sparking a trend.

I will do my bit

And based on my sex vs lack of gender identity, Stonewall may well stick me under their brolly.

Gender is a part of all our identities though. Whether we resist it or accept it we are defined by our stance. Believing we can be free of it is part of the lie. We can only be totally free of gender if are completely disconnected from others. Part of what we do here is develop our own gender resistance. We are doing this socially. The lie is that it comes from within is part of the social enforcement of gender.

I’m another who doesn’t have a gender identity. I am a woman, purely on virtue of being adult and female, and I have had experiences that have been directly impacted by that, but I don’t go about “feeling” like a woman or consciously performing femininity.

I refuse to have a gender identity.

I have a sex - female - and a personality.

That slide is what my gran would call a bugger's muddle.

Another tweet from Healthwatch Stoke
twitter.com/HealthwatchSoT/status/1007581035700383744

Seems to confirm that gender identity is some aspect of personality and has nothing to do with sex, but adds in random stuff about intersex.

I think they're all as confused as we are.

It is self evident that no one is born with an identity. Identity needs language and the ability to reflect on who we are.

I like "agenderist". Can we make it a thing?

By all means Ereshkigal! I’m sure I got it from somewhere else.

Ooh I feel proud if that ends up sparking a trend.

No idea what a gender identity is. Feel I might fail at being a woman if I had to choose.

Most people dont have a gender identity. They have a body and a personality. Their sex is determined by which body they have - male or female.

I also don't consider myself to have a gender identity.
I am a human with a personality, some of which has been influenced by my experience of having a female body and bring treated by society as someone with a female body.
I'm also still waiting for someone to explain what this innate sense of 'gender identity' actually involves, without involving either biology or sexual stereotypes.

It's like insisting that everyone believes in god, or some similar concept. Nope, atheists actually do exist. Behold, we walk among you!

I'm not interested in joining the gender religion either. One could come up with many peripheral reasons for that but the underlying one is that I just don't believe.

I like "agenderist". Can we make it a thing?

What makes you believe everyone has a gender identity, Bespin? What evidence do you have for that?

I don’t have a gender identity - and that’s not because I am agender, it is because I philosophically reject the concept of gender - you could say gender-atheist or agenderist perhaps.

This does not deny the existence of transgender people, any more than my atheism when it comes to religion denies the existence of Christians, Muslims, Hindus and Jews (etc) - but I do not share the belief that other people hold about gender identity.

Stating that “everyone has a gender identity” is forcing a belief system on me, and others like me, and I don’t find that acceptable.